DStv faces renewed threat from piracy

I'd like to know Multichoice/Canal take with Showmax ending. As Showmax programming is moving over to Dstv. Currently with Dstv there are 2 streams and 2 streams for Showmax. Will they now be opening up more streams? Or is the client getting F'd? Seems ti be turning out expensive though as you'd need to now take on a new streaming service such as Netflix if you've only had Dstv and Showmax
 
Jodes said:
Yes because you just stole what took other years to implement. That's what copyright is about. When you work years putting a book together, go through the pain of publishing it and then a group comes out, copies it and distributes it almost for free, you going to be happy with that?
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It would only matter to me if I was losing money by people copying my book. Generally people who pirate would never buy the item at full price anyway. So little money is actually lost and the free "advertising/awareness" I would get might actually be a net gain because people could copy it.
 
JustAsk said:
We've been having that automated sorcery for close to 15 years. You didn't need ai for that.
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I know I am on a tech forum, but my technical skills are extremely limited.

Ai gave me the guidance and confidence to finally rid myself of subs
 
Jodes said:
Until you are the one inventing something, going through all the trouble to bring it to market just to see someone copy it and take all your profits because they can sell it cheaper because they don't have to cover all the R&D costs... Nice...
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been in the software game my entire professional life, that's just how the game works
 
Honestly I find that Pirate Bay is generally better for all the movies you may want to see but you can never find them locally anywhere, or well internationally.

I honestly wont make any effort to pirate something I can find on Netflix, Apple TV, Disney+, Fox etc.

And sports matches? Dont even bother to go to them anymore. Its like 3k a ticket to watch x4 for the family. Thats R12k to watch a single match big rugby match. That buys like a 75" TV. And I can read the news who won.

Do people pirate DSTV streams? I honestly dont get that there is anything worth on there pirating other than I guess sport, but since that bores me, I wouldnt know.

I do enjoy the SABC streaming however. Works well most days if need be.
 
Corelli said:
Honestly I find that Pirate Bay is generally better for all the movies you may want to see but you can never find them locally anywhere, or well internationally.

I honestly wont make any effort to pirate something I can find on Netflix, Apple TV, Disney+, Fox etc.

And sports matches? Dont even bother to go to them anymore. Its like 3k a ticket to watch x4 for the family. Thats R12k to watch a single match big rugby match. That buys like a 75" TV. And I can read the news who won.

Do people pirate DSTV streams? I honestly dont get that there is anything worth on there pirating other than I guess sport, but since that bores me, I wouldnt know.

I do enjoy the SABC streaming however. Works well most days if need be.
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Oh lastly isnt Canal+ going to be cutting local sport, I heard they were looking into that.
 
Forum Reader said:
It would only matter to me if I was losing money by people copying my book. Generally people who pirate would never buy the item at full price anyway. So little money is actually lost and the free "advertising/awareness" I would get might actually be a net gain because people could copy it.
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Also remember that overall the content creator gets pretty much close to nothing, the rest goes to markups by middle people who add very little actual value at all. Look at music, where bands that are massive sellers tend to only make money doing live concerts and selling merch, they make almost nothing from online, less than a cent per dollar earned, the majority goes to the music labels that control them.
 
Jodes said:
Until you are the one inventing something, going through all the trouble to bring it to market just to see someone copy it and take all your profits because they can sell it cheaper because they don't have to cover all the R&D costs... Nice...
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If they're still making obscene profits but only by escalating continuous price increases then your heroic fight for the poor inventor that is DSTV is laughable

My Uncle in Australia had this same issue with their resident Monochoice (Foxtel). He cancelled the $100pm package just 2 months ago,eventually 1 week before it was set to go through they phoned and offered the same package pricelocked for 3 years for $28pm,no contracts. Are they selling that package at a loss? Unlikely
 
PsyWulf said:
If they're still making obscene profits but only by escalating continuous price increases then your heroic fight for the poor inventor that is DSTV is laughable

My Uncle in Australia had this same issue with their resident Monochoice (Foxtel). He cancelled the $100pm package just 2 months ago,eventually 1 week before it was set to go through they phoned and offered the same package pricelocked for 3 years for $28pm,no contracts. Are they selling that package at a loss? Unlikely
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Great, that still does not warrant theft!
 
I pay for streaming, dont watch, but my family does. If I was alone, I would just watched youtube.

WIll not even pirate as most content is just meh.
 
Jodes said:
Until you are the one inventing something, going through all the trouble to bring it to market, just to see someone copy it and take all your profits because they can sell it cheaper because they don't have to cover all the R&D costs... Nice...
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Okay, Frikkie. Show us on the doll where you were hurt
 
Jodes said:
Great, that still does not warrant theft!
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Piracy is not theft in the strict legal sense, but it is often called theft in everyday language and by rights‑holders.

Legal distinction​

In law, “theft” typically means taking a physical object (or its equivalent) so that the owner loses possession or control of it.
Piracy, by contrast, is usually a form of copyright infringement: someone copies or distributes protected work (music, software, movies, etc.) without permission, but the original owner still has their copy.

Courts in systems like U.S. copyright law have explicitly distinguished copyright infringement from “theft” or “stolen property,” stressing that infringement interferes with exclusive rights (like copying or distributing), not with physical possession.

Why people call it theft anyway​

From an economic or moral standpoint, many argue that piracy functions like theft because it can:

  • Reduce potential sales or licensing revenue.
  • Undermine the value creators expect for their work.
So while legally it is copyright infringement, people often say “piracy is theft” to emphasize that it involves taking value without permission, even though no physical object is removed.
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Brian_G said:
Only way to curb piracy (and "piracy") effectively enough is to offer a good alternative.

Canal+ is already successfully doing that in Europe, time will tell if Multiploos also can.


(Where is @FiestaST this morning? :giggle:)
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I asked AI:

"Canal+ faces a significant, evolving piracy issue in Europe, particularly concerning live sports streaming. The company has secured landmark legal victories to block illegal streaming sites in France via ISPs and VPN providers. Live piracy is considered a major threat to its business, with millions of illegal streams targeting its exclusive content.

Key Aspects of the Piracy Issue:
Targeted Content: Popular sports content such as Ligue 1 football, Rugby Top 14, and Formula 1 are frequently targeted.

Technical Battle: In May 2025, Canal+ achieved a groundbreaking court order in France forcing major VPN providers (NordVPN, Surfshark, etc.) to block access to 203 illegal sites.

Active Countermeasures: Canal+ is actively working with regulators like Arcom in France, utilizing expedited procedures to block mirror sites.

European Scale: The issue is Europe-wide, with industry figures showing massive annual financial losses due to pirated content in Italy, Germany, and France.

Canal+ continues to push for stronger legislation across the European Union, aiming for faster takedowns (within 30 minutes) of live pirated events, as traditional enforcement struggles with the rapid emergence of new pirate streaming sites."
 
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