DVD encryption.

Scooby_Doo

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Ok i know that most of us know how to rip and copy almost any dvd movie but i want a program that can take my home made stuff and encrypt it when i write it to DVD (so it ends up like a standard shop bought dvd, ie can't just copy it with out some knowledge with PCs) so i have some level of protection. Is there such a program for home users or is it a corporate thing costing abit?
 
Wow... now there's a thought... encrypt it... copy protect it... talk about a paradigm shift... what is this world coming to? just kidding
 
What kind of encryption are we talking about here though? I think the "encryption" on original DVDs are purely region code restrictions and "watermarking" there's no actual "you-need-a-password-key-to-view-this" kind of encryption last i checked?

Problem i imagine is the software required to DEcrypt your "personally-encrypted" dvd. If you encrypt it, how will it play on a normal DVD player ?

I assume there is some international encryption standard which are applied when a DVD is manufactured/printed [hardware thing] and i bet it's not freely available otherwise pirates would be able to re-produce "originals" ?

One thing i used before is data encryption in the form of a "container". You create a 4-7GB encrypted "container" [almost like a virtual drive] and whatever you place inside this container is encrypted based on the container's encryption scheme. You can then burn the container to DVD or whatever. Although it will not run on a standard dvd player, you will need to "mount" the container [aka decrypt the data] first and THEN you can view , assuming it is a Movie DVD. But something tells me this is not what you have in mind?
 
ok let me rethink what i want. I want people to be able to play the dvd in a dvd player and a computer but i want to have some level of protection from letting people copy the whole dvd or the content. Hows that?
 
ok let me rethink what i want. I want people to be able to play the dvd in a dvd player and a computer but i want to have some level of protection from letting people copy the whole dvd or the content. Hows that?

Well, what is in a Legal Shop Movie DVD that makes them harder to >copy< than a Self-Created Movie DVD ? The hardest part of ripping a DVD [imho] is getting it to fit on a normal sized disc [4.5GB] , not the decrypting or the actual "copying" .
 
Well u still need a program to decrypt it then make it smaller to make it fit on a 4.7 DVD... Now is there a program that can do what the movie industry does that we as end users can use? It just needs to be a little harder to copy then just using nero and copying the whole disk...
 
I agree with scooby_doo - it's called CSS if I remember correctly - you can't just copy it, you need to decrypt it - OK, it's easy enough to de-css it or shrinkdvd it or whatever, but not everyone is a mybroadband geek. Google CSS may give you some answers.
 
i tried google... so much info on how to rip, copy, pirate, duplicate, remove, decrypt DVDs but nothing on adding that same protection to home movies.
 
Courtesy Google:
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=348912
If people were able to create DVD+/-RW with a standard CSS on it
(acceptable to DVD-ROM readers) this would allow 'home users' to make
true DVD clones which become indistinguishable from the orignal DVD to
average DVD players. This is a strong argument for the fact that
content protection system was designed such that this DVD cloning is
not possible.

Let us first look at how CSS works in off-the-shelf (pressed) DVD's:

Each CSS licensee is given a key from a master set of 400 keys stored
on every CSS-encrypted disc. The theory was to allow a license to be
revoked by removing its key from future discs. The CSS decryption
algorithm exchanges keys with the drive unit to generate an encryption
key that is then used to obfuscate the exchange of disc keys and title
keys that are needed to decrypt data from the disc. DVD players have
CSS circuitry that decrypts the data before it's decoded and
displayed, and computer DVD decoder hardware and software must include
a CSS decryption module. All DVD-ROM drives have extra firmware to
exchange authentication and decryption keys with the CSS module in the
computer.
(Excerpt from http://www.dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#1.11 )

The critical question is: Where are those 400 keys stored on the disk?
If you can not store them in the same place on a DVD+/-RW that would
be a simple way to prevent the creation of 'cloned' copies.

There is a dedicated 2048 byte block on the DVD, which holds encrypted
disk keys. The host requests this block from the drive, and the drive
will only deliver it if a prior authentication of the host has taken
place. (see
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1230030,00.asp for the
simplified protocol) Similarly, encrypted title keys are stored in
sector headers. It is important to note that the keys are not part of
the UTF file system payload, but stored as meta-data to it. Even if
you can write title keys (assuming disks are not pre-sectored) you
will also have to write to the hidden disk key area.

Now, depending on the actual media, this area may already have been
pre-written, or be unwritable. In that case. You can not create a CSS
protected disk, since you can not provide an encrypted disk key
(region code seems to be stored in the same place?) for the drive and
player to read.

The relevant media specifications appear to be ECMA-267, -337, and
-338 for DVD-ROM, DVD+RW and DVD-RW respectively. Unfortunately, they
go into physical, optical, and encoding characteristics only, and do
not specifically address our question of the 'hidden sector'.

However, reading some drive specs, the DeCSS source code, and the
cdrom/dvd driver of the linux kernel lead me to believe that the
'hidden sector' is in fact part of the control data zone (section 26.5
in ECMA-267 DVD-ROM). Please understand that this is a speculation on
my part, altough educated speculation. The same control data zone in
DVD-RW (ECMA-338, 26.1.6) is explicitly stated to be embossed, i.e.
not to be writable by the end-user device. Something similar holds
true for DVD+RW (ECMA-337, 17.11). In fact, there is a very explicit
statement to be found there:

Let me summarize my longish answer, going directly to the points of your
question:


Q: Is it technically impossible to apply CSS on DVD-RW?
A: Yes.
The relevant areas on the media are embossed, and can not be recorded on.

Q: Is it technically impossible to apply CSS on DVD+RW?
A: No, just very hard.
The relevant area is in fact recordable, and the drive is supposed to make
sure that the area is always set to 0. That said, one could speculate that
a modification of the drive firmware might enable one to create custom
content in this area.

So basically you need special -hardware- which most probably not only costs a fortune but requires a license [and the appropriate fees and royaltees for every disc you burn] .
 
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in my opinion, tell him not to bother - it's too easy for >anyone< typing "copy dvd" into google to find a way round the provided protections. If the big corps can't get it right he certainly won't

rather add value in other aspects of the product that can't readily be copied like the documentation / service / <insert clever idea here>
 
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