E-tolling implementation delayed until 30 May

“This will give the task team more time to explore [highlight]alternative funding mechanisms[/highlight].” Cosatu general-secretary Zwelinzima Vavi told reporters on Thursday that the entire central executive committee of Cosatu was united against e-tolling. “There is not a single dissenting voice,” he said.

What concerns me is that Vavi's phrase "alternative funding mechanisms" might not refer to paying off the debt that SANRAL has accumulated and dumped onto Gauteng tax payers.

I have no problem with a Gauteng-only fuel levy for road improvements, but I have a big problem with paying for the etolling gantries and other infrastructure.

Perhaps Vavi doesn't even realise that "alternative funding mechanisms" most likely means an alternative to etolling for funnelling money into the back pockets of the BBBEEEEEE leeches.
 
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They know the court will rule against them so now they are trying to make themselves look good.
 
I have no problem with a Gauteng-only fuel levy for road improvements, but I have a big problem with paying for the etolling gantries and other infrastructure.

Why discriminate against the Gauteng...... Gauteng already sponsor most of the other provinces.

And Guateng is not the only province with freeways.
 
Puzzles me, if in business you make a bad decision, you will try and write it off as cost-to-company. While it's too late to argue why it was implemented in the first place, it will be cheaper in the long run to just write it off and cover it through fuel-levy which applies nationwide. I am not sure where the R2/l in fuel-levely goes (I was always under the impression that this will go towards road-infrastructure) and considering that close to R1 goes towards roads-accident fund (which seems to never really pay anyone), I think the approach should be to revisit the fuel-price structure (see here: http://www.shell.com/home/content/zaf/products_services/on_the_road/fuels/petrolprice/).

I think too much gravy all round, clouds the picture - i.e. a retailer (= petrol station) is making close to R1 profit, those petrol-stations are (unless I am wrong) really just franchises of the petrol companies and in essence then make double-profit (wholesale- and retail price). Especially considering, that petrol-station staff is really getting paid peanuts.

The maintenance cost of the tolling system will just explode in cost over time and if it gets introduced will eventually roll out to other provinces as well. I doubt anyone in guavamint will touch revisit the fuel-price structure and I doubt that the tolling will be scrapped for good.
 
Why discriminate against the Gauteng...... Gauteng already sponsor most of the other provinces.

And Guateng is not the only province with freeways.

I would prefer that the national fuel levy we have all been paying is used for road maintenance across all provinces, but it seems fairly clear that money is funding the gravy train and the corrupt politicians will not let go of it.

If we Gautengers have to foot SANRAL's Gauteng bill (for actual road improvements) without the help of the national fuel levy, I would much rather have a Gauteng only fuel levy instead of toll roads and SANRAL can go to hell bankrupt with paying foreigners for the etolling rubbish.
 
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One day, when the roads in Gauteng are falling apart and unusable I hope you all think back on this hysteria with fondness.
 
The whole E-Tolling idea was one the greatest stupidities this Gov ever come up with. To build or actually only improve highways for R19-20 billion and to think it's reasonable to set up a system of recovering this amount for a minimum of R14 billion, probably escalating to at least 30 or 40 Billion does not make any economic sense at all. OUTA even estimates that at the end of the day we might end up paying 100 billion or more. And than to state that Gov cannot afford further delay of the tolling is actually even more stupendous, because we, the SA, Msanzi economy has to cough up these enormous amounts of cash somehow. So we should rather make clear to these characters without any sense for economics and arithmetic skills, that SA cannot afford this wealth destroying tolling system at all.It actually will destroy jobs. They (SANRAl/Gov) must have also have signed a most stupid contract with Kapsch. And will find it difficult to negotiate them selves out of that one. The well known economist Chris Heart has been arguing repeatedly on radio and TV that this E-Tolling does not make sense. Increasing the fuel levies with only a small amount is the real smart way to go about this, administrative costs practically:nil. This Gov is so often unable to do things simple, straight and efficient, while they have the impression that the money (our taxes, we worked for it with blood, sweat and tears) grows on trees.The understanding, or better almost total lack of , economic and financial matters by this Gov is comparable with the Aids denialism and advocating of eating garlick, sweet potatoes as cure fur this serious illness, that existed 8-10 years ago in this country.
 
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Until politicians themselves can start paying the same taxes the people pay, and we put an extra "polygamy" tax on Zuma for each of his wives, they will not give a damn. Ndebele, Manyi etc can spit rhetoric garbage on papers cos their finances or lives will only change for the better or stay the same if the etoll is implemented. Put some taxes on ALL government officials, Income Tax especially, until they can feel paying what we do on a daily basis then they will feel it. Unrealistic in a capitalist system, but in the current economic climate, wouldn't the great freedom fighters who claim to speak for the people, "sacrifice" something for the people? As if! Happy Freedom Day to everyone.
 
@Magicdude Are you implying that politicians would understand business? There's your first mistake.

One would hope that somewhere common sense prevails. If I need for example 20bn Rand to improve the roads, I would question why I should spend 14bn to create a system to fund the 20bn, while it would be more sensible to ask what type of funding (taxes or levies) I could use to fund the 20bn Rand without making a ridiciolous detour. It's also conveniently forgotten that the prior decade of mismanagement resulted in the state of the current transport system (interchange latter with healthcare, educational or welfare).

Business people should start running countries (or at least manage the planning/execution of "citizen services") - our current politicians provide stopgaps (compulsory pension- or healthcare) to fund mistakes from the past - none of those initiatives will provide any long-term benefits and will eventually result in exorbitant costs to taxpayers.
 
They know the court will rule against them so now they are trying to make themselves look good.
exactly... What happened to their hard line from last week???

The whole E-Tolling idea was one the greatest stupidities this Gov ever come up with. To build or actually only improve highways for R19-20 billion and to think it's reasonable to set up a system of recovering this amount for a minimum of R14 billion, probably escalating to at least 30 or 40 Billion does not make any economic sense at all. OUTA even estimates that at the end of the day we might end up paying 100 billion or more. And than to state that Gov cannot afford further delay of the tolling is actually even more stupendous, because we, the SA, Msanzi economy has to cough up these enormous amounts of cash somehow. So we should rather make clear to these characters without any sense for economics and arithmetic skills, that SA cannot afford this wealth destroying tolling system at all.It actually will destroy jobs. They (SANRAl/Gov) must have also have signed a most stupid contract with Kapsch. And will find it difficult to negotiate them selves out of that one. The well known economist Chris Heart has been arguing repeatedly on radio and TV that this E-Tolling does not make sense. Increasing the fuel levies with only a small amount is the real smart way to go about this, administrative costs practically:nil. This Gov is so often unable to do things simple, straight and efficient, while they have the impression that the money (our taxes, we worked for it with blood, sweat and tears) grows on trees.The understanding, or better almost total lack of , economic and financial matters by this Gov is comparable with the Aids denialism and advocating of eating garlick, sweet potatoes as cure fur this serious illness, that existed 8-10 years ago in this country.

I think a general fuel levy increase would not be noticed by anyone - say a national fuel levy increase of 5c/l. If you look at the fuel price hikes due to oil price and exchange rate I doubt this would really affect anyone to the point of insolvency - for the average motorist (10l/100km) it equates to R0.50 per 100km or R10 per 2000km.

What I would expect for this though is an open tender system - I would like to be able to go to the SANRAL website and see exactly how much it costs to do what road, who is doing it and most importantly WHAT THEIR TRACK RECORD IS! Therefore if a higher bid is chosen, it must be backed up by a better track record. They can keep it closed until after the bid is awarded, but from then I want to be able to see that my money has been spent wisely.
 
One day, when the roads in Gauteng are falling apart and unusable I hope you all think back on this hysteria with fondness.

Considering you have your location set to Cape Town, I hysterically ask you in a tone that conveys seriousness, do you think you personally have anything to lose if eTolling in Gauteng is crapped?
 
One day, when the roads in Gauteng are falling apart and unusable I hope you all think back on this hysteria with fondness.

That will happen with or without Tolling.

How do I know?

Well, ask yourself where all the money went from the last 16 years that was allocated towards the roads from Fuel levies, General tax, VAT, License Fees, Speeding Fines, etc.

If all that money could disappear so easily, then I'm pretty sure that the money collected from the tolling could also disappear.

Then what plan are they going to come up with to fix the roads?
 
One would hope that somewhere common sense prevails. If I need for example 20bn Rand to improve the roads, I would question why I should spend 14bn to create a system to fund the 20bn, while it would be more sensible to ask what type of funding (taxes or levies) I could use to fund the 20bn Rand without making a ridiciolous detour. It's also conveniently forgotten that the prior decade of mismanagement resulted in the state of the current transport system (interchange latter with healthcare, educational or welfare).

You know that. Most formites know that. But government??????????????

Business people should start running countries (or at least manage the planning/execution of "citizen services") - our current politicians provide stopgaps (compulsory pension- or healthcare) to fund mistakes from the past - none of those initiatives will provide any long-term benefits and will eventually result in exorbitant costs to taxpayers.

Were business people to run things, the politicians would not have the power, so that aint going to happen. In any case are businesses more trustworthy?
 
we all have to stick together going forward - If govt comes back with a further reduced rate/km, we have to reject it - even 1c/km is unacceptable - e-tolls should be scrapped and the debt repaid by Govt and recovered from fuel taxes - do not give the parasites this new e-toll tax route!!



erm.....and..... Joelus, stop trolling
 
One day, when the roads in Gauteng are falling apart and unusable I hope you all think back on this hysteria with fondness.

So little of the revenue goes towards the roads anyway it won't make any difference. The new road already fell apart. Seriously.
 
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