Albereth
Honorary Master
The way to deal with it, nip it in the bud, so to speak, is to whip the bit off at birth. But I suppose that means getting past the parents.
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Eastern Cape initiation deaths at 35
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The way to deal with it, nip it in the bud, so to speak, is to whip the bit off at birth. But I suppose that means getting past the parents.
R13...
Honorary Master
I know there's now a rule about consent for the more legit ones. But the consent as far as I understand is that someone needs to "bring" you and answer in the affirmative when asked if parental consent has been obtained. I have heard about some schools now requiring a medical report before accepting you.
R13...
Honorary Master
As I said, that doesn't work, they get told the hospital don't do it properly or just get lied to that if you have had medical no blade will touch you. Which is a lie.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
This is a step in the right direction, but it needs to be expanded.
The schools need to have a trained professional doing the work, there needs to be proper medicals done, as well as completed paperwork giving permission from the parents.
Albereth
Honorary Master
See, I'd be advocating something that cares little for civil liberties and doesn't enter into a conversation with the parental unit. Just after the doctor does the slap to knock the dicks off the clever/dumb ones, he cuts slightly more than the umbilical cord.
dlk001
Executive Member
In one experience, the surgeon refused to perform circumcision on my brother because we had misplaced the doctor's note. The doctor was on leave and I had to fetch him from his house. Even then, the surgeon refused, insisted on documentation in order to protect himself.
Also, once a week, a medical male nurse would do random rounds at initiation schools to check progress.
Key people in the success of the healing process are
Traditional Surgeon - the person who performs the circumcision and usually someone who has credentials in the community and medical doctors
Traditional Nurse - the person who looks after the initiate who is recommended by the traditional surgeon. The traditional surgeon needs to make sure the nurse follows procedure especially in first 7 days are important.
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ECAPE INITIATION DEATHS REVISED TO 13
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season was revised to 13 by the province's health department on Tuesday.
Spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said he had been informed that 13 people had died so far, and not 14 as he had earlier said.
Kupelo expressed concern over the death toll and the extent of injuries sustained during the traditional ritual.
Hospitals were severely overcrowded by initiates seeking emergency medical assistance.
"The worst affected area is Mthatha in the OR Tambo region where health centres are clogged. Boys are brought in with their penises practically falling off," Kupelo said.
The already constrained health system in the province was suffering a setback because of the initiation season.
"The day to day work by health workers is severely affected, the department is spending R1000 on each initiate brought in for treatment," said Kupelo.
The department had set aside R20 million to intervene and help the initiates.
Private healthcare services and an additional 37 SUV vehicles have been hired to get health workers to initiates in the mountains.
The parents of the initiates were to blame for some of the problems experienced, he said.
Parents allowed criminals masquerading as circumcision experts to circumcise their children. The parents also denied health workers access so they could examine the boys, Kupelo said.
"In one instance, a young boy died a day after his father refused him access to a health worker. That parent must be held accountable."
Kupelo said the department urged police and the National Prosecuting Authority to bring criminal charges against the perpetrators.
The Mthatha area had seen criminals "milking" the custom to their advantage while putting the lives of young boys at risk.
"We want law enforcement to charge them with murder wherever a life is lost. These criminals use the same instrument on all boys, increasing the risk of contracting HIV/Aids and other diseases. The initiates are very young and their lives are in danger on a daily basis," he said.
Source : Sapa /gm/jk/jje
Date : 01 Jul 2014 09:49
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season was revised to 13 by the province's health department on Tuesday.
Spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said he had been informed that 13 people had died so far, and not 14 as he had earlier said.
Kupelo expressed concern over the death toll and the extent of injuries sustained during the traditional ritual.
Hospitals were severely overcrowded by initiates seeking emergency medical assistance.
"The worst affected area is Mthatha in the OR Tambo region where health centres are clogged. Boys are brought in with their penises practically falling off," Kupelo said.
The already constrained health system in the province was suffering a setback because of the initiation season.
"The day to day work by health workers is severely affected, the department is spending R1000 on each initiate brought in for treatment," said Kupelo.
The department had set aside R20 million to intervene and help the initiates.
Private healthcare services and an additional 37 SUV vehicles have been hired to get health workers to initiates in the mountains.
The parents of the initiates were to blame for some of the problems experienced, he said.
Parents allowed criminals masquerading as circumcision experts to circumcise their children. The parents also denied health workers access so they could examine the boys, Kupelo said.
"In one instance, a young boy died a day after his father refused him access to a health worker. That parent must be held accountable."
Kupelo said the department urged police and the National Prosecuting Authority to bring criminal charges against the perpetrators.
The Mthatha area had seen criminals "milking" the custom to their advantage while putting the lives of young boys at risk.
"We want law enforcement to charge them with murder wherever a life is lost. These criminals use the same instrument on all boys, increasing the risk of contracting HIV/Aids and other diseases. The initiates are very young and their lives are in danger on a daily basis," he said.
Source : Sapa /gm/jk/jje
Date : 01 Jul 2014 09:49
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
INITIATION DEATH TOLL AT 23
Twenty-three initiates have died since the start of the winter initiation season because of botched circumcisions and 104 others have been admitted to hospitals for related injuries, Deputy Traditional Affairs Minister Obed Bapela said on Thursday.
"It is saddening to report the increased number of initiates who have lost their lives to 23," he said in a statement.
"This is despite all the efforts we have made."
Nineteen of the deceased were from the Eastern Cape, three from Mpumalanga, and one from the Western Cape.
Bapela said the 104 others were admitted for dehydration, septic circumcision, gangrene, and other related injuries.
He sent his condolences to the affected families and said government condemned illegal circumcision schools.
"The rite of passage is not a licence for abuse of the initiates but a process that is ushering these young men to adulthood and a cultural practice that needs to be respected," said Bapela.
"The ministry of co-operative governance and traditional affairs continues to call on all members of the community to report any illegal initiation schools to the police."
Source : Sapa /mar/jk
Date : 03 Jul 2014 12:42
Twenty-three initiates have died since the start of the winter initiation season because of botched circumcisions and 104 others have been admitted to hospitals for related injuries, Deputy Traditional Affairs Minister Obed Bapela said on Thursday.
"It is saddening to report the increased number of initiates who have lost their lives to 23," he said in a statement.
"This is despite all the efforts we have made."
Nineteen of the deceased were from the Eastern Cape, three from Mpumalanga, and one from the Western Cape.
Bapela said the 104 others were admitted for dehydration, septic circumcision, gangrene, and other related injuries.
He sent his condolences to the affected families and said government condemned illegal circumcision schools.
"The rite of passage is not a licence for abuse of the initiates but a process that is ushering these young men to adulthood and a cultural practice that needs to be respected," said Bapela.
"The ministry of co-operative governance and traditional affairs continues to call on all members of the community to report any illegal initiation schools to the police."
Source : Sapa /mar/jk
Date : 03 Jul 2014 12:42
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ECAPE INITIATE DEATHS RISE TO 25
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season has risen to 25, the province's health department said on Tuesday.
"The number of those admitted to hospital is 61," spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said.
"In one village outside Mbizana, Madiba village, an initiation school was allegedly attacked by a group of other initiates from another tribe last night."
Thirteen boys escaped uninjured, and the initiation school was burned down.
"It is still being investigated. There are forums operating in the area and they are working with police to address the situation."
The Community Development Foundation of SA had built a rescue centre in Lusikisiki, which was currently housing 132 boys.
Another rescue centre was being built in Libode.
The worst affected area remained Mthatha in the OR Tambo region.
"What they [initiation schools] need to do is avoid or burn this habit of denying initiates water, because that leads to dehydration," Kupelo said.
The winter initiation season was expected to come to an end when public schools re-open in the province on July 21.
"The portfolio committee for health in the provincial legislature visited the rescue centre in Lusikisiki yesterday and also Nelson Mandela Academic Hospital on a fact-finding mission," Kupelo said.
"They are expected to compile a report, table it and forward it to the department with their findings."
Kupelo said the department continued to offer its support to initiation season custodians.
"Our role is limited to health and we support the custodians of the customs to keep things under control," he said.
He said Eastern Cape premier Phumulo Masualle and traditional affairs MEC Fikile Xasa were expected to address the media on the issue on Wednesday.
Source : Sapa /aw/ks/ar
Date : 08 Jul 2014 16:16
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season has risen to 25, the province's health department said on Tuesday.
"The number of those admitted to hospital is 61," spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said.
"In one village outside Mbizana, Madiba village, an initiation school was allegedly attacked by a group of other initiates from another tribe last night."
Thirteen boys escaped uninjured, and the initiation school was burned down.
"It is still being investigated. There are forums operating in the area and they are working with police to address the situation."
The Community Development Foundation of SA had built a rescue centre in Lusikisiki, which was currently housing 132 boys.
Another rescue centre was being built in Libode.
The worst affected area remained Mthatha in the OR Tambo region.
"What they [initiation schools] need to do is avoid or burn this habit of denying initiates water, because that leads to dehydration," Kupelo said.
The winter initiation season was expected to come to an end when public schools re-open in the province on July 21.
"The portfolio committee for health in the provincial legislature visited the rescue centre in Lusikisiki yesterday and also Nelson Mandela Academic Hospital on a fact-finding mission," Kupelo said.
"They are expected to compile a report, table it and forward it to the department with their findings."
Kupelo said the department continued to offer its support to initiation season custodians.
"Our role is limited to health and we support the custodians of the customs to keep things under control," he said.
He said Eastern Cape premier Phumulo Masualle and traditional affairs MEC Fikile Xasa were expected to address the media on the issue on Wednesday.
Source : Sapa /aw/ks/ar
Date : 08 Jul 2014 16:16
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
25 people dead... but no mention of how many are maimed or surgically castrated/mutilated.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ECAPE INITIATE DEATHS RISE TO 35
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season has risen to 35, the province's health department said on Wednesday.
"Over 180 boys have been admitted to hospital and 35 have died so far since the initiation season started," spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said.
"We have observed issues that we believe are circumstances and contributing factors, including criminal elements, lack of discipline, improper conduct by those who are responsible for running the schools, greed, and the so-called-custom of being hijacked as a money-making scheme."
On July 8, the number of deaths was 25, and 61 boys had been admitted to hospital.
At the time, the Community Development Foundation of SA had built a rescue centre in Lusikisiki, which housed 132 boys. Another rescue centre was being built in Libode.
The worst affected area remained Mthatha in the OR Tambo region.
The winter initiation season was expected to end when public schools re-opened in the province on July 21.
Kupelo said the department's role was limited to health intervention and it had set aside R20 million to "cater for any circumcision-related interventions".
The department decided to combine medical male circumcision and traditional circumcision because it was a "sensitive matter" in the province.
"It is one package because we have to be sensitive in the province --this is a ritual that has been there for decades. As a department we promote safe circumcision. Our interest is in medical safety," he said.
He said in hospitals medical male circumcision was being performed on all ages but the problem was in the traditional schools.
"Traditional schools are a challenge because of the risk. We have hired 37 additional 4x4's to go to the bush and we have hired private doctors who are going to go to schools and intervene medically."
He said the doctors, who had been hired on a contractual basis for the initiation period, would also help the boys who were at risk as well as ensure that the boys who were critical be taken to hospital for medical treatment.
The department would assist the custodians of the custom because they were concerned.
"It is a traumatic experience for health workers because of the injuries and the septic level of the wounds -- it is unnecessary and can be prevented," he said.
"I have seen nurses breaking down because there is nothing beyond what they witness in these boys. Boys coming in with private parts spontaneously falling off because of mismanagement by people who have no clue of what they are doing in the bush."
Kupelo said the doctors would go to the schools in the bushes and intervene at an early stage.
Earlier this month, in a village outside Mbizana, Madiba village, an initiation school was allegedly attacked by a group of other initiates from another tribe.
Thirteen boys escaped uninjured, and the initiation school was burned down.
The portfolio committee for health in the provincial legislature visited the rescue centre in Lusikisiki and the Nelson Mandela Academic Hospital. They are expected to compile a report, table it and forward it to the department with their findings.
Source : Sapa /dm/fg/ks/jje
Date : 16 Jul 2014 13:39
The number of initiates who have died in the Eastern Cape since the beginning of the winter initiation season has risen to 35, the province's health department said on Wednesday.
"Over 180 boys have been admitted to hospital and 35 have died so far since the initiation season started," spokesman Sizwe Kupelo said.
"We have observed issues that we believe are circumstances and contributing factors, including criminal elements, lack of discipline, improper conduct by those who are responsible for running the schools, greed, and the so-called-custom of being hijacked as a money-making scheme."
On July 8, the number of deaths was 25, and 61 boys had been admitted to hospital.
At the time, the Community Development Foundation of SA had built a rescue centre in Lusikisiki, which housed 132 boys. Another rescue centre was being built in Libode.
The worst affected area remained Mthatha in the OR Tambo region.
The winter initiation season was expected to end when public schools re-opened in the province on July 21.
Kupelo said the department's role was limited to health intervention and it had set aside R20 million to "cater for any circumcision-related interventions".
The department decided to combine medical male circumcision and traditional circumcision because it was a "sensitive matter" in the province.
"It is one package because we have to be sensitive in the province --this is a ritual that has been there for decades. As a department we promote safe circumcision. Our interest is in medical safety," he said.
He said in hospitals medical male circumcision was being performed on all ages but the problem was in the traditional schools.
"Traditional schools are a challenge because of the risk. We have hired 37 additional 4x4's to go to the bush and we have hired private doctors who are going to go to schools and intervene medically."
He said the doctors, who had been hired on a contractual basis for the initiation period, would also help the boys who were at risk as well as ensure that the boys who were critical be taken to hospital for medical treatment.
The department would assist the custodians of the custom because they were concerned.
"It is a traumatic experience for health workers because of the injuries and the septic level of the wounds -- it is unnecessary and can be prevented," he said.
"I have seen nurses breaking down because there is nothing beyond what they witness in these boys. Boys coming in with private parts spontaneously falling off because of mismanagement by people who have no clue of what they are doing in the bush."
Kupelo said the doctors would go to the schools in the bushes and intervene at an early stage.
Earlier this month, in a village outside Mbizana, Madiba village, an initiation school was allegedly attacked by a group of other initiates from another tribe.
Thirteen boys escaped uninjured, and the initiation school was burned down.
The portfolio committee for health in the provincial legislature visited the rescue centre in Lusikisiki and the Nelson Mandela Academic Hospital. They are expected to compile a report, table it and forward it to the department with their findings.
Source : Sapa /dm/fg/ks/jje
Date : 16 Jul 2014 13:39
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