Easy Equities good or bad?

As far as I understood the EE story, you own the "whole" shares.
If you have a "fractional" share that part is in EE's name and they give you a CFD.

Theres an article here that explains it rather well.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/how-does-easy-equities-work/

But, this is totally not what the real question is about....

The question is, when you purchase a share, let's speak about whole shares, who owns it?

When it comes to nominee accounts, there are two types of ownership:

1. The legal owner - the person or institution in whose name the share is registered
2. The beneficial owner - the person or institution who benefits from that share and is appointed by the legal owner

You are not the legal owner of the share, only the beneficial owner. The share is not registered in your name. You only benefit when it is sold or dividends paid.

The only reference to you as beneficial owner is in GT247.com's own share register. Nowhere else.

This is what is is about. Actually, EE makes this quite clear on their FAQ's and Terms as well.
 
You guys have any EFT advise for 2016?

Satrix Industrial, DBX World and a bit of Property? Not to sure if I should keep hold of my Satrix Financial, been doing pretty badly past 6 months

It will be even worse in 2016.

Stick to DBXWorld however.
 
LOL. Still with legal legal owner vs beneficial owner as if the two are mutually exclusive.
 
No. When I get back home I will scan one and show it off.

http://www.strate.co.za/our-services/dematerialising-your-shares

Best you contact Strate then.

Dematerialising Your Shares

Strate Answers Some Frequently Asked Questions on the Dematerialisation Process

What is dematerialisation?
Dematerialisation refers to the process whereby paper share certificates are replaced with electronic records of ownership. Once investors have handed in their certificates, they are sent to the relevant transfer secretary for validation. Once the authenticity of the certificate has been verified, the actual dematerialisation process begins. For all intents and purposes, once you have submitted your share certificate for dematerialisation, it ceases to exist.
Why dematerialise your shares?
We encourage investors to dematerialise their shares immediately. Dematerialised shares are safe from fraud, theft and loss. In addition, shares cannot be sold unless they have been dematerialised which may cause a delay in selling your shares.
To whom do I take my share certificates for dematerialisation?
Investors may submit their share certificates to either a Central Securities Depository (CSD) Participant or stockbroker for dematerialisation.
 
But, this is totally not what the real question is about....

The question is, when you purchase a share, let's speak about whole shares, who owns it?

When it comes to nominee accounts, there are two types of ownership:

1. The legal owner - the person or institution in whose name the share is registered
2. The beneficial owner - the person or institution who benefits from that share and is appointed by the legal owner

You are not the legal owner of the share, only the beneficial owner. The share is not registered in your name. You only benefit when it is sold or dividends paid.

The only reference to you as beneficial owner is in GT247.com's own share register. Nowhere else.

This is what is is about. Actually, EE makes this quite clear on their FAQ's and Terms as well.

http://www.strate.co.za/our-services/dematerialising-your-shares
A controlled broker client is one who elects to keep his shares and funds in the custody of his stockbroker and therefore indirectly the stockbroker’s chosen CSD Participant. Owing to the fact that CSD Participants are the only market players who liaise directly with Strate, all brokers must have accounts with CSD Participants and communicate electronically with them.
A controlled client deals directly and exclusively with his broker and his regular share statement comes from his broker. For those who already have a relationship with a broker, it is recommended that you verify whether your broker mandate has been updated in order to render it valid for settlement in the Strate environment.
A non-controlled broker client is one who appoints his own CSD Participant to act on his behalf. The investor surrenders his certificates and opens an account with his selected CSD Participant while dealing with his broker only when he wants to trade. He would have to provide the broker with the details of his share account at his CSD Participant. A non-controlled client receives his share statements directly from his CSD Participant.
Must I complete an application form/contract with my selected agent?
Once you have decided which category you would like to be in, you should approach your selected CSD Participant or stockbroker. You will be required to complete a client mandate that will allow you to define more closely the kind of relationship you elect to conduct with your agent. When opening your account, the CSD Participant or broker will capture all share information as well as any pertinent personal details into digital format within Strate, the CSD.
How do I ensure that my agent does not take full control over my portfolio?
It is advisable to define - by means of your mandate - the level of control your CSD Participant/broker has over your portfolio. Certain shareholders may wish to empower their agents to trade, make corporate action decisions etc. on their behalf. This is known as discretionary control. Other shareholders may elect to remain in complete control of their portfolio. They would be classified as non-discretionary clients. Issues such as these should be discussed with your stockbroker and recorded in your mandate.
Will I still be able to register my shares in my own name, or will my selected agent insist on registering my shares in his nominee name?
Stockbrokers are obliged to register clients’ shares in their nominee name. Of the nine CSD Participants, a select few offer ‘own-name registration’. All other CSD Participants will automatically register your shares in their nominee name and investors are encouraged to enquire accordingly.
If my agent registers my holdings in a nominee name, will I cease to receive information from the companies in which I hold shares?
The revised JSE listing requirements dictate that issuers are obliged to distribute company information to all beneficial shareholders who wish to receive it, irrespective of how their shares are registered. As such, there will be a designated field on the mandate you sign with your selected stockbroker or CSD Participant, which gives you the option of electing to receive such information from the company. So, if you would like to receive annual reports etc., it is imperative that you indicate this preference on your mandate.
If my shares are going to be registered in the nominee name of my stockbroker, I want assurance that my stockbroker has financial integrity and that my portfolio is secure in the name of his nominee company. How do I establish this?
For this very reason, the JSE has established a set of criteria with which member firms will have to comply in order to be eligible to hold nominee registers in the Strate environment. These entry criteria include issues such as internal controls and capital adequacy requirements. This should give investors the peace of mind that the member firms holding their assets are indeed viable financial institutions.
How will I receive my dividends under the new system?
Dividends will be transferred electronically into your CSD Participant/broker account on the due date.
 
Any reasonably priced trading platforms?
Only ones I can find are Sanlam (R50pm, 0.5%, R75 minimum) and Standard Bank (R60pm, 0.5%, R60 minimum).
Wish Capitec would start a well priced trading platform, but that's probably hoping for the stars when it's taking them years to sort out their credit card.

EDIT: I see they now raised it to R70pm and R70 minimum. If you want you can use EE for trading and a data service to get live pricing.
 
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Any reasonably priced trading platforms?

All platforms are expensive. You cannot get away from this.

If you want reasonably priced, go to gt247.com. If you want to invest in shares, the cheapest is EE.

Just know the risks associated with the cheap pricing.
 
Only ones I can find are Sanlam (R50pm, 0.5%, R75 minimum) and Standard Bank (R60pm, 0.5%, R60 minimum).
Wish Capitec would start a well priced trading platform, but that's probably hoping for the stars when it's taking them years to sort out their credit card.

EDIT: I see they now raised it to R70pm and R70 minimum. If you want you can use EE for trading and a data service to get live pricing.

I wouldn't use EE for trading. Not just for the lack of tools, but also them arbitrarily deciding on when to suspend trading on a share. Thats complete bs, the only time that a platform should suspend trading of a share is when the JSE suspends trading...
 
I wouldn't use EE for trading. Not just for the lack of tools, but also them arbitrarily deciding on when to suspend trading on a share. Thats complete bs, the only time that a platform should suspend trading of a share is when the JSE suspends trading...
Yes that's another problem as well as their arbitrary limits on some shares. I guess their platform is too flaky to deal with all conditions.
 
As far as I understood the EE story, you own the "whole" shares.
If you have a "fractional" share that part is in EE's name and they give you a CFD.

Theres an article here that explains it rather well.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/uncategorized/how-does-easy-equities-work/

That's how I understand it. As I wrote in another thread - I did own a few NPN through EE and received final results through the post. This shows me that my name is held in the share register (compushare?) - as least I think so...

TBF I once searched EE for the answer but they keep on banging on about the fractional shares and ownership - I think they think it's a given we meant to know who owns the whole shares. Pit poor IMO.
 
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That's why it probably works like it does with every other institution. This isn't legal ownership vs beneficial ownership. They are the registered owner while we are the legal owners. They can't just sell off our shares or move them around as that would be fraud. Sure fraud can happen but it's the same risk you take with every institution. The FSB also has strict regulation over what's allowed and what isn't.

@AirWolf: The difference between fees isn't related to risk but with the tools and support offered. Go with the option that gives you the best value for what you want. Most platforms have a demo area where you can "trade" play money so you can see how their tools work and what they support.
 
Okay,
My share portfolio is with standard bank OST. I have NPN in my portfolio.

I am going to contact NPN investor relations and ask them to tell my if my details appear on the NPN share register.

Please keep us updated. Last time i researched this route, i was advised that you can only visually see the share at the registering company ( computershare seems to have been common).


once proven we can either permanently ban toothless, or give him a hero's welcome :)
 
Please keep us updated. Last time i researched this route, i was advised that you can only visually see the share at the registering company ( computershare seems to have been common).


once proven we can either permanently ban toothless, or give him a hero's welcome :)

Promise to do so.
I will also try some other companies that are in my portfolio.

I'm eager to get to the bottom of this.
 
Please keep us updated. Last time i researched this route, i was advised that you can only visually see the share at the registering company ( computershare seems to have been common).


once proven we can either permanently ban toothless, or give him a hero's welcome :)
Wouldn't make a bit of difference. Nobody is disputing the shares being registered in a nominee's name as is common practice. It's who legally owns the shares and what they are allowed to do with them.

On another note, I would actually welcome a dual system where shares are registered in the nominee's name but with details about who owns the share rights. That would go someways in eliminating fraud as it would be involving a buyer as well when transferring shares but until that happens I don't really have a problem with shares I legally own not being in my name.
 
Promise to do so.
I will also try some other companies that are in my portfolio.

I'm eager to get to the bottom of this.

thank you sir!!

just to confirm. Do you own shares bought via EE and Standardbank?


Wouldn't make a bit of difference. Nobody is disputing the shares being registered in a nominee's name as is common practice. It's who legally owns the shares and what they are allowed to do with them.
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i assume the share registrar will indicate all this details?
 
i assume the share registrar will indicate all this details?
If the shares are not in your name only the register at the holding company will have the details.
 
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