Ed, Shaun: Tower numbers please

Look, its obviously been renamed to throw you guys oof, you knew too much already. Any one of you could run off to Ibursts competitors like Sentech or Telkom and actually TELL them what number the towers of Iburst are, causing unimaginable damage.

These competitors couldnt go to the site and see the posisition of all the base stations prety easily... as well as planned ones.

But I think youve hit a wall here guys seriosuly, they just arent going to give the numbers too you. Why? Hell im not Ed Hall or anything.
 
I don't think they are really protecting anything important... Its not going to take us long to figure out the numbers again by trial and error - i mean thats how the first set of utTraceStar tower lists were developed wasn't it?

If anything - you are shooting yourself in the foot here Ed... utTraceStar is one of the most important pieces of diagnostics equipment for many of the resellers and outdated tower info is just going to mean more calls to the call centre that your resellers (and other misc techs) could have sorted out on their own.

If you are trying to protect the locations of the towers then... DUH :confused: you've got them all listed on the status page and all but one of my local towers are easily visable.
 
Ekhaatvensters said:
Look, its obviously been renamed to throw you guys oof, you knew too much already. Any one of you could run off to Ibursts competitors like Sentech or Telkom and actually TELL them what number the towers of Iburst are, causing unimaginable damage.

These competitors couldnt go to the site and see the posisition of all the base stations prety easily... as well as planned ones.

But I think youve hit a wall here guys seriosuly, they just arent going to give the numbers too you. Why? Hell im not Ed Hall or anything.
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Hmmm, and how is knowing the tower numbers going to be "causing unimaginable damage":confused:

Or is it a great state secret:rolleyes: :D

More than likely they don't know the numbers themselves, look at how the other thread about the "64" in the IP range was answered, man these guys are a joke.:rolleyes:
 
One of the iBurst reps here told me that he advises clients to use utTraceStar, et al, so why try to prevent the programs to be truely useful?

I hoped iBurst would come forth with some useful info, especially since there weren't any snide remarks in this thread until Ed Hall answered. Once again its a joke on the iBurst customer relations (non-)exercise... Once again it shows that broadband consumers are between the devil and the deep blue sea, regardless of the provider (or squashed between the bottle and the label :rolleyes: )
 
oke guys if iburst want to come a muck us around we all must just call in for a techie to your house ... and "ask them to do a signal scan" wink wink nudge nudge....

and then by the 2000th techie visit to a house they will sorta give up i think cos it will cost them hecticly sending techies around for signal tests :eek:

P.S. i hope thats a black-label :p :D
 
I see no good reason why the tower numbers should be confidential. Ed/Shaun- can you explain WHY this is top secret information?

I was hoping iburst would get this one right...
 
MrH said:
Hmmm, and how is knowing the tower numbers going to be "causing unimaginable damage":confused:

Or is it a great state secret:rolleyes: :D

More than likely they don't know the numbers themselves, look at how the other thread about the "64" in the IP range was answered, man these guys are a joke.:rolleyes:
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sarcasm??

But im shure you got that...

I also dont understand how the numbers of the towers can be unavailable to us. Maby their posistions (even though I would hardly get that, besides sabotauge?) but the numbers are only useful for these programs, very usefull infact, I dont see how they could be used otherwise?
 
peterleroux said:
I see no good reason why the tower numbers should be confidential. Ed/Shaun- can you explain WHY this is top secret information?

I was hoping iburst would get this one right...
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+1

why o why? jip, seems like i'll need to call that techie to come out and help me with my TOP SECRET TOWER*. and man, i'll probably forget next week again, so then I'll have to call AGAIN for the techie...


*My TOP SECRET TOWER (as every1 knows) is the northcliff tower. hell, if they sabotage that tower i'll be extremely happy, then hopefully they can put up a better one. come to think of it, i think it must be already sabotaged! lol
 
Ed Hall said:
Guys, tower numbers are confidential and I'm sorry, but I can't provide this kind of information to all of you.

Sorry!

Ed
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Ok Ed, I do not understand why the tower numbers are kept confidential.
You could elaborate on this matter?

However I offer an alternative/compromise:

If you are willing to give the full list (and give updated information regularly) for the the Application level only (ie user cannot see tower number->tower name mapping). We can design this accordingly and I am sure the other application designers will also do the same.

In this way your full list will remain confidential to users but the user viewable towers will show up correctly?

We await your response
 
seburn said:
Ok Ed, I do not understand why the tower numbers are kept confidential.
You could elaborate on this matter?

However I offer an alternative/compromise:

If you are willing to give the full list (and give updated information regularly) for the the Application level only (ie user cannot see tower number->tower name mapping). We can design this accordingly and I am sure the other application designers will also do the same.

In this way your full list will remain confidential to users but the user viewable towers will show up correctly?

We await your response
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Tx Seburn, this is a very sensible approach to the problem, it is about time that iBurst gets involved in the programs to a certain level (perhaps also promote it as a DIY tool? If I'm not mistaken they've promoted DrTCP in the past, although I can't find it now)
 
Ed Hall said:
Guys, tower numbers are confidential and I'm sorry, but I can't provide this kind of information to all of you.

Sorry!

Ed
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If you won't release the tower number / location mapping, would it be too much to ask that you modify all of the towers so that they broadcast their location rather than their number in the debug data? :p

But seriously, perhaps you ought to revisit the classification of the tower numbers as 'confidential'. Revealing them does not compromise anyone's right to privacy, or your competitiveness in the marketplace does it? How could this bunch of numbers ever be used against you? On the other hand, it does promote the user community by allowing their tools to function better. This means that your existing customers are happier which means that they post happier stories in the public forums, forums which we have seen are also read by your potential customers...
 
James, point taken and I will have a chat with the bigwigs and see what we can do....no promises though
 
Very easy solution from WW2:
Take directional antenna, turn it around and see signal levels.
Map + directions + levels + tower number = tower name :-)))
 
Bump Ed no response to my suggestion ... no comeback on james's
 
4 BUMPS??? :mad:

Think its time for some real action - so i'll start.

Tower 13 is now Braamfontein

Who's next? :D
 
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