Electric Fence Certification

Reviving this topic: is a CoC necessary for a non-functional fence?

A relative of mine installed electric fencing years ago, but after replacing 2 energizers she gave up and didn't install another one. So the system is inert, there is no energiser installed. The poles and wiring were left in place as a deterrent.
Fast forward to today... she's selling her house and the estate agent is insisting that a CoC is necessary for the fence.

If the CoC is necessary, it's cheaper to just remove the poles and wiring than get the fence working again and the CoC issued.
 
eehellfire said:
Reviving this topic: is a CoC necessary for a non-functional fence?

A relative of mine installed electric fencing years ago, but after replacing 2 energizers she gave up and didn't install another one. So the system is inert, there is no energiser installed. The poles and wiring were left in place as a deterrent.
Fast forward to today... she's selling her house and the estate agent is insisting that a CoC is necessary for the fence.

If the CoC is necessary, it's cheaper to just remove the poles and wiring than get the fence working again and the CoC issued.
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Might have a negative effect on the sale and value of the house when you remove it, if the fence was perceived to be installed and working. Might also be seen as removing 'fixtures' which might even be in breach of the agreement.
 
eehellfire said:
Reviving this topic: is a CoC necessary for a non-functional fence?

A relative of mine installed electric fencing years ago, but after replacing 2 energizers she gave up and didn't install another one. So the system is inert, there is no energiser installed. The poles and wiring were left in place as a deterrent.
Fast forward to today... she's selling her house and the estate agent is insisting that a CoC is necessary for the fence.

If the CoC is necessary, it's cheaper to just remove the poles and wiring than get the fence working again and the CoC issued.
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Tell the agent that the fence is inactive. When an offer is made on the property, your relative should simply write a clause in the Offer To Purchase that says "electric fence is not in working order and no energizer is connected - sold as is". This indemnifies the seller and it will then suffice as full disclosure to the buyer.
 
heartbroken said:
Might have a negative effect on the sale and value of the house when you remove it, if the fence was perceived to be installed and working. Might also be seen as removing 'fixtures' which might even be in breach of the agreement.
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She's been upfront about it the whole time.
 
FlashSA said:
Tell the agent that the fence is inactive. When an offer is made on the property, your relative should simply write a clause in the Offer To Purchase that says "electric fence is not in working order and no energizer is connected - sold as is". This indemnifies the seller and it will then suffice as full disclosure to the buyer.
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I've gotten her to do that. Will see what the response is
 
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Can someone post an example of a CoC?


How does a consumer work out if a CoC is authentic and comes from an authorized person who can issue a CoC?
 
midnightcaller said:
Thread necro.

Can someone post an example of a CoC?


How does a consumer work out if a CoC is authentic and comes from an authorized person who can issue a CoC?
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In the process of selling my house and my dad selling his. He will get to the COC stage first. Will upload a redacted copy when he receives it.

Apparently East London now only has 1 qualified person to issue an electric fence CoC which upsets me because when I used company x to install mine, they assured me they would assist when I sell the property. Now their guy has resigned and left!
 
midnightcaller said:
Thread necro.

Can someone post an example of a CoC?


How does a consumer work out if a CoC is authentic and comes from an authorized person who can issue a CoC?
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I just had a quote for all 5 certificates. The electrical alone came in at something ridiculous like R9000. I had my uncle, (who's a certified electrician, but doesn't own a business ) come in to do everything on that list (for free) and he said that half of what was on that quote was false......but I suppose, they see woman , what do I know?
Problem now is that I'm not sure if they'll give me my certificate because they didn't do the repairs

 
EX_mrs_ant_man said:
I just had a quote for all 5 certificates. The electrical alone came in at something ridiculous like R9000. I had my uncle, (who's a certified electrician, but doesn't own a business ) come in to do everything on that list (for free) and he said that half of what was on that quote was false......but I suppose, they see woman , what do I know?
Problem now is that I'm not sure if they'll give me my certificate because they didn't do the repairs
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They must issue you with a certificate if the faults have been repaired correctly. A CoC is an assessment that everything is above board no matter who installed the items.
 
FlashSA said:
They must issue you with a certificate if the faults have been repaired correctly. A CoC is an assessment that everything is above board no matter who installed the items.
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And this is what is written in fine print on their contract......


"As per our terms and condition, please note that in the event of (company) not doing the repairs we will not re-inspect or issue a Compliance Certificate"
 
EX_mrs_ant_man said:
And this is what is written in fine print on their contract......


"As per our terms and condition, please note that in the event of (company) not doing the repairs we will not re-inspect or issue a Compliance Certificate"
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Find another electrician. They are being arrogant and FOS.

I am in the glass and aluminium industry. If a person asks me to issue them with a Glazing certificate, I am allowed to go to their house, inspect all the glass and ensure safety glass is installed in the correct places, mark the glass, charge the client and issue them with a SAGGA glazing certificate. It does not matter who installed the glass - it is only up to the company issuing the certificate to confirm that it all conforms to the glazing laws. If there are items which do not conform, I will give the client a quote to replace. If they decide to get it changed by someone else or fit the correct glass themselves, they can call me back and I will inspect again and charge accordingly. I'll be irritated, but I'll assist and charge accordingly.

I do not see why electrical should be any different.
 
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So I have been finding some interesting things in the house I moved into which had a COC .. I couldn't figure out where the switch was to turn on lights that are fixed on the exterior boundary walls. I managed to trace the wires and I see they come from garden into the roof of the house.

So I call previous owners and ask where the switch is. They say it was connected to a plug which they turned on when needed. When COC was done, electrician said that was not legal way so they had him fix it to be compliant.

Do you know what this moron did? He connected the cable to a circuit dedicated for a heat exchanger unit. As I dont use the heat exchanger i had turned the circuit off.

So now for me to turn on outside lights, I need to turn on heat exchanger circuit. . Surely this is illegal? He took the shortest cut possible to wire it 'correctly' Do I have recourse against him for this work? He needs to connect it to a light switch ???

Other **** this electrician signed off are plug points which appear to be connected to light circuits. Once again whoever the original electrician was that did this , just ran a cable from the light junction in roof to run a a new plug. I noticed this when I turned off lights circuits and I saw the CCTV turn off. How was this passed? Surely he should have seen this.

He also passed the wiring in the swimming pool pump enclosure where you can see some wires exposed .

I just need some expertise to know whether I have recourse because I can then require him to correct the f..k up with the exterior lights.
 
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They're all liars. The company that came to quote for my electrical, quoted on things that didn't need to be done. Had all the work done by another electrician and they won't give me a certificate. I'm waiting for a manager to call me for a site visit to explain to me and my electrician why they lied and to show them where they lied.
 
EX_mrs_ant_man said:
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They're all liars. The company that came to quote for my electrical, quoted on things that didn't need to be done. Had all the work done by another electrician and they won't give me a certificate. I'm waiting for a manager to call me for a site visit to explain to me and my electrician why they lied and to show them where they lied.
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Agree that most are liars. My house has a CoC for electrical from when I bought the property, but I had my electrician from my previous property come look, and there were a lot of things missing like a switch for the geyser in the ceiling. Ok other than that it's not bad.
 
EX_mrs_ant_man said:
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They're all liars. The company that came to quote for my electrical, quoted on things that didn't need to be done. Had all the work done by another electrician and they won't give me a certificate. I'm waiting for a manager to call me for a site visit to explain to me and my electrician why they lied and to show them where they lied.
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They all lie and take chances...

Regardless of the industry. Plumbers, Electricians, Builders etc....

My house was issued a CoC when I bought it, now that I'm gutting it and redoing huge sections of the house, I'm finding so many things that are just totally illegal about the wiring.
 
ToxicBunny said:
They all lie and take chances...

Regardless of the industry. Plumbers, Electricians, Builders etc....

My house was issued a CoC when I bought it, now that I'm gutting it and redoing huge sections of the house, I'm finding so many things that are just totally illegal about the wiring.
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Do you think it's worth wasting my time to get the electrician who did the COC and the dodgy wiring to correct his mess up or should I just consider it a lost cause and get another electrician to come correct it?

Over the weekend, I have also found more plugs connected to the light circuits ... don't know if the COC check can actually pick this kind of stuff up but it's easy to see that whoever the sparky was that did the installation - maybe different person to the COC sparky chose the shortest/easiest method to connect extractor fans, etc. Most likely the previous owners used the same sparky for all the work and then he signed off his own bad workmanship.

A plug on a light circuit can be bad because of potential load ... it's ridiculous that they have done this so many times.
 
InternetLuddite said:
Do you think it's worth wasting my time to get the electrician who did the COC and the dodgy wiring to correct his mess up or should I just consider it a lost cause and get another electrician to come correct it?

Over the weekend, I have also found more plugs connected to the light circuits ... don't know if the COC check can actually pick this kind of stuff up but it's easy to see that whoever the sparky was that did the installation - maybe different person to the COC sparky chose the shortest/easiest method to connect extractor fans, etc. Most likely the previous owners used the same sparky for all the work and then he signed off his own bad workmanship.

A plug on a light circuit can be bad because of potential load ... it's ridiculous that they have done this so many times.
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You can try get the sparky to fix the mess, but he will probably laugh at you and refuse.
You can definitely report the sparky to the ECBSA, but nothing will happen really other than you having a small bit of peace of mind for reporting him.

You only real option is to just fix the things you find yourself, and do it properly. I'm in the process of rewiring large sections of my house and doing it mostly myself because I don't trust these fsckers to do a decent job for what they charge, and they do sloppy messy work ANYWAY.
 
ToxicBunny said:
You can try get the sparky to fix the mess, but he will probably laugh at you and refuse.
You can definitely report the sparky to the ECBSA, but nothing will happen really other than you having a small bit of peace of mind for reporting him.

You only real option is to just fix the things you find yourself, and do it properly. I'm in the process of rewiring large sections of my house and doing it mostly myself because I don't trust these fsckers to do a decent job for what they charge, and they do sloppy messy work ANYWAY.
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Thanks. Will attempt - worse he can do is tell me to F off ... I am doing most things myself already hence picking up the issues but still a bit frightened when it comes to the DB board side of things :)
 
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