'Embarrassed to be from SA???'

BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!!, ppl need to know that their behaviour is unacceptable....go back to the days when you could window shop [at night] without the fear of being robbed, or the days when catching the train was considered "safe"

I strongly believe that "xhosa" will not kill his own, but a "Zulu" might just do the right thing....go ZUMA
 
TOFFEE!

the apartheid was WORSE in the states.....and at least back then we had order in this country, no crime etc.....
 
Kathryn, you are joking of course! In what way was it worse in the states? There was little crime in the white areas of SA. You think the black people had a better life? Our laws were legislated. Do you remember pass laws, property ownership laws, inferior education etc etc. Not saying all was bad with the country back then, there was more respect etc. However nobody will ever convince me that it was better back then or that the apartheid regime/times were not bad. Maybe you are young and do not remember those days and/or events.
 
Kathryn, you are joking of course! In what way was it worse in the states? There was little crime in the white areas of SA. You think the black people had a better life? Our laws were legislated. Do you remember pass laws, property ownership laws, inferior education etc etc. Not saying all was bad with the country back then, there was more respect etc. However nobody will ever convince me that it was better back then or that the apartheid regime/times were not bad. Maybe you are young and do not remember those days and/or events.

Sorry, my view currently is that things were much better under apartheid, and i mean for everybody black and white.

More people are murdered in SA now per year, than all the people murdered while SA was under apartheid, 1948 and 1994. Apartheid never murdered people like the current ANC is so willingly doing.... makes u think!!!
 
Kathryn, you are joking of course! In what way was it worse in the states? There was little crime in the white areas of SA. You think the black people had a better life? Our laws were legislated. Do you remember pass laws, property ownership laws, inferior education etc etc. Not saying all was bad with the country back then, there was more respect etc. However nobody will ever convince me that it was better back then or that the apartheid regime/times were not bad. Maybe you are young and do not remember those days and/or events.

Hmmm - I remember those days and a lot of things (and here I speak soley for myself) were better. I grew up in a neighbourhood. I could walk or ride a bike to school. I could go fishing all night. I could ride home from Youth on a Friday night. Doors were left unlocked and we didn't have high walls and electric fences.

Bad things happening - nothing that I can recall. Even 76 was too far away.

I suppose the test for me is would I want my child to have a similar childhood to the one that I did, and the answer for me is yes. Do I belive that aprathied is the only system that can give this, and the answer there is no.

The biggest lie ever perpetrated on the people of South Africa came from the ANC. Sitting safely in their foreign homes with their children receiving the best that donor aid could provide they lied to thise who remained. Told them liberation before education, that the country should become ungovernable. So the masses responded and now we have huge numbers of un or semi skilled people with no respect for any law. And the ANC fat cats continue with the pretense of governing but are really just plundering. The real heroes of the 'struggle' stayed and tried to exist, to eke out a meagre living. You want to know who the real strangers in our land are - look for anyone who claims to have struggle credentials.
 
The biggest lie ever perpetrated on the people of South Africa came from the ANC. Sitting safely in their foreign homes with their children receiving the best that donor aid could provide they lied to thise who remained. Told them liberation before education, that the country should become ungovernable. So the masses responded and now we have huge numbers of un or semi skilled people with no respect for any law. And the ANC fat cats continue with the pretense of governing but are really just plundering. The real heroes of the 'struggle' stayed and tried to exist, to eke out a meagre living. You want to know who the real strangers in our land are - look for anyone who claims to have struggle credentials.

100%
 
Hmmm - I remember those days and a lot of things (and here I speak soley for myself) were better. I grew up in a neighbourhood. I could walk or ride a bike to school. I could go fishing all night. I could ride home from Youth on a Friday night. Doors were left unlocked and we didn't have high walls and electric fences.

Sounds like you grew up in a good neighbourhood. That's fantastic!
 
Sounds like you grew up in a good neighbourhood. That's fantastic!

Exactly. And part of the point. My view then was limited to my experience, just as it is today. I can't say that the sort of neighbourhood that I grew up in no longer exists somewhere - just tell me where.
 
Albereth you make a good point and I concede that I had a great childhood in apartheid SA (until I was had to do compulsory military service for nearly 3 years and saw a few mates die!). However, while a number of blacks do not have an improved life, a number of them do. They do however have freedom. You must not forget that blacks were not allowed to own freehold land, were forcibly removed from areas (group areas), had to have a pass to move from one area to another, were given inferior education, discriminated against in the work place, we had the homelands where thousands were forced to settle, while the men came to SA to work and were forced to live in hostels ( we still see the repurcussions of that policy) etc. I am not saying the past was all bad and the present is all good. I just think the past was worse overall for ALL South Africans.

Kathryn made the bold statement that apartheid was worse in the states ( I assume the USA) without backing her statement up. I get the feeling that she is uninformed. The fact is most South Africans were "brainwashed" by the media and did not see what was actualy going on. Those of us that were involved in the defence force were exposed to this as were people who lived overseas.

When I lived in PE as a child we lived close to a township. One day we picked up a game of cricket with the township children. A white neighbour saw this and called the police, who chased the township children away. That was my first experience of the real apartheid as a 9 year old. I will never forget that day, I lost my innocence. I had an uncle who fell in love with an Indian lady. They were not allowed to marry nor live/sleep together, as it was against the law. You realy think those days were better. Me, I think I would choose my current lifestyle anyday.
 
I can't say that the sort of neighbourhood that I grew up in no longer exists somewhere - just tell me where.

We grew up from many neighbourhoods. Its fantastic to have such a diversity in SA. I personally never grew up in neighbourhoods that resemble yours. I can say though, the ones I grew up from, they miles better now. But then again, that's my perception based on what I hear from people who live there now because I live quite far. I only get to experience my childhood neighbourhoods for a few weeks in every year.
 
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