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Debbie
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kingrob: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=84810
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Might have been part of those deleted for the off topic squabbling. You did take a poke at jk8 I recall...?
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Might have been part of those deleted for the off topic squabbling. You did take a poke at jk8 I recall...?
Skeptik
Banned
"Slip"??Things like this do slip into textbooks
OUP editors should have picked this up.
Yeah right!
I'm fuming.
There was a whole series of posts marked for moderation. They all got nailed by a mod. Cannot see now who did it but it was in context of a couple of posts getting out of control. KingRob, you know I would not piss you off...
Your post was part of the series that I deleted.
EDIT - I've removed the insults and reinstated the post.
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koffiejunkie
Executive Member
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
Geez, I didn't realise my post would be such a thread killer. That was tongue in cheek! 
Debbie
Banned
Geez, I didn't realise my post would be such a thread killer. That was tongue in cheek!
The matrics are safe and sound in their beds
When they get up, they can maybe tell us what their classmates&teachers thought of the paper....?
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
I am truly shocked by that paper. When I was in matric the material were truly generic - the weather, inter-highschool athletics or the first trip to the moon. Not that I wish to take anything away from the piece - it is a thought provoking piece. Unfortunately it will almost certainly provoke some serious emotional response - something you don't want while writing your matric exam.
Anyway, I'm not going to debate the content - no need to turn this into a political thread.
Anyway, I'm not going to debate the content - no need to turn this into a political thread.
Debbie
Banned
Indeed- it would've made even my blood boil, and it's not fair to have to write an exam like that.
rwenzori
Honorary Master
The article that that English comprehension was "adapted" from:
http://www.businessday.co.za/Articles/TarkArticle.aspx?ID=1924797
http://www.businessday.co.za/Articles/TarkArticle.aspx?ID=1924797
schitz011
Expert Member
Surely if one wants the pupils to comment on social issues that is more for a history exam than an english paper?
Koffiejunkie is right, we I were a lad etc, etc.. The papers were generic non specific types. Jimmy goes to the shops, Pauline gets a new doll, Susan get drunk and knocked up.. that sort of thing.
If we were asked to analyze newspaper articles, the subjects contained therein were pretty out of the realm of personal experience and enabled you to cast a critical eye over the piece, which is the whole point.
By including a piece written about the question of race and especially saying that a colour blind society is 'neither achievable, not desirable' is colouring the whole issue (if you'll excuse the blatant use of the word colour here!) and ensuring that the pupil cannot cast an unbiased eye over the piece as a whole.
Already many matrics will be looking towards the future, how AA, BEE and all that other nonsense will negatively effect their careers and now at the time they need to focus most on their studies they are confronted with yet more propaganda that reinforces this.
Lets not forget that while the majority of readers of this forum are adults and able to think for ourselves and not bow to peer pressure, for school kids these things are a very real shaping force in their lives. If you have a child spending it's school career constantly being told that the white man is the source of all evil and that it is almost expected that the white child should be ashamed of their own heritage then you will end up with a generation of people with a guilt complex second to none.
The response to this argument no doubt will be - but apartheid-era schooling did the same. Maybe so in the 60/70's, I cannot say, but when I joined school here from the UK in 84 I found nothing in, certainly the history books at least about how inferior the black man was. There was a lot about the great trek, sure, but that is to be expected. It was a major event in SA's history. There was also a lot, and I mean a lot, about the black history as well and certainly it wasn't - ' in 1865 the noble white voortrekkers went forth and smote the foul evil savage hordes' type crap. It was actually very informative about black culture and so on and in a pretty positive light I may add...
People who didn't have access to white government education are very quick to point out how propaganda like it was, but how do they know? What are they basing their point on?
In my experiences school was school and unlike this current held belief it wasn't a constant barrage of how superior the white man was. Certainly not in the way this exam question is saying that it is fine to be judging people on colour.
I would be interested to see exam papers from the 80's from the black education system and if they contained articles essentially condoning racism such as this current exam is doing.
Koffiejunkie is right, we I were a lad etc, etc.. The papers were generic non specific types. Jimmy goes to the shops, Pauline gets a new doll, Susan get drunk and knocked up.. that sort of thing.
If we were asked to analyze newspaper articles, the subjects contained therein were pretty out of the realm of personal experience and enabled you to cast a critical eye over the piece, which is the whole point.
By including a piece written about the question of race and especially saying that a colour blind society is 'neither achievable, not desirable' is colouring the whole issue (if you'll excuse the blatant use of the word colour here!) and ensuring that the pupil cannot cast an unbiased eye over the piece as a whole.
Already many matrics will be looking towards the future, how AA, BEE and all that other nonsense will negatively effect their careers and now at the time they need to focus most on their studies they are confronted with yet more propaganda that reinforces this.
Lets not forget that while the majority of readers of this forum are adults and able to think for ourselves and not bow to peer pressure, for school kids these things are a very real shaping force in their lives. If you have a child spending it's school career constantly being told that the white man is the source of all evil and that it is almost expected that the white child should be ashamed of their own heritage then you will end up with a generation of people with a guilt complex second to none.
The response to this argument no doubt will be - but apartheid-era schooling did the same. Maybe so in the 60/70's, I cannot say, but when I joined school here from the UK in 84 I found nothing in, certainly the history books at least about how inferior the black man was. There was a lot about the great trek, sure, but that is to be expected. It was a major event in SA's history. There was also a lot, and I mean a lot, about the black history as well and certainly it wasn't - ' in 1865 the noble white voortrekkers went forth and smote the foul evil savage hordes' type crap. It was actually very informative about black culture and so on and in a pretty positive light I may add...
People who didn't have access to white government education are very quick to point out how propaganda like it was, but how do they know? What are they basing their point on?
In my experiences school was school and unlike this current held belief it wasn't a constant barrage of how superior the white man was. Certainly not in the way this exam question is saying that it is fine to be judging people on colour.
I would be interested to see exam papers from the 80's from the black education system and if they contained articles essentially condoning racism such as this current exam is doing.
Very good point. I grew up in Natal and there was great detail in history about Zulu culture, including the construction and layout of Kraals, how the warriors grouped and attacked (remember it being highlited as efficient too). We even attended Zulu lessons at one stage. I doubt anyone has exam papers from when they were kids - I mean we ritualisticly burnt ours
after exams!!
Vrotappel
Bulls fan
We moved on. We wont forget the past alot of people still remember it still have scars from it, till that generation fades so will everything else.