Esquire vs 2600(k)

[Pada]

@Chris: you're taking this way overboard.

Yes, I do agree with you on the point that you don't want a major distributor to sell directly to the public.

The point here is that Esquire gave accounts to technical experienced myBB users who won't give them grief in terms of hardware bought that was incompatible.

 

[CrazYmonkeY159]

I tend to agree with Keeper, Esquire and Pada.

@Chris: the end users that you're talking about clearly are not members of MyBB. if a MyBB member has technical issues he/she will troubleshoot the problem until they are red in the face, possibly post a thread here asking for help/advice. In my case, My graphics card broke, one of the memory modules went faulty, I knew this because I tried to figure out what was wrong, when I took my card to Frontosa they confirmed my initial diagnosis. a typical end user would just send their whole PC to a reseller for tech assistance. So what im trying to say is, the general public need resellers who offer aftersale services just not MyBB members.

It's a valid point.

 

[Chris Erodis]

@ CrazyMonkey, Hi Luthando how are u doing mate! Howz UCT, i hope you are enjoying it there. Take care mate!

 

[3p1c]

I agree with Chris, it's bad for the business of resellers. But Esquire can do what they want - they've proven that, so we move on and let them be

 

[Gnome]

My technical level rivals that of 95% of store clerks, sales people or their bosses.

Esquire provides me with the opportunity to buy without the HASSLE that stores like Chris's present me.

Those hassles I'll list for you here:
1) I need to order and wait for stock
2) I need to pay higher prices for absolutely no value added
3) When I need to return something they want to "test" it themselves using inferior techniques. Let me clarify here, testing a hard-drive in Windows using chkdsk and vice versa doesn't constitute a test. When I test something I use the tools provided by the manufacturer which produces an RMA paper. I then hand that RMA paper to whomever I bought it from. No further testing is needed. The manufacturer tool already shows the device as defective. Similarly if I tested a CPU in Prime95 or memory in Memtest they are faulty (faulty memory can also be seen in Prime95). Any person who disagrees that a fail in those test means a hardware problem shouldn't call themselves a technician (IE. they don't know about those tools and are therefore lack the skills required).

Esquire give MyBB users this opportunity because there are people here that rival just about all stores out there in terms of technical knowledge whether these stores want to admit it or not. To your store clerk it is a day job, to me it is a hobby and I spend many hours on research and I have a BSc(CS) degree behind me also. I really don't need help choosing, or diagnosing problems. Your store adds 0 value.

Can you say the same about your store clerk, if not, don't waste our time by saying that you provide a service.

I know this post sounds arrogant but in all honesty I'm not alone here, others here have degrees in fields that touch on computer hardware and spend many hours on research also. These stores live in a fantasy where they provide a service when they are a hassle. If we could we would build PCs for a living, unfortunately there are other professions that pay more.

It is a fast moving field. The only way someone can stay ahead is with constant research and interest. Something most people don't even show in their day jobs (eg. 95% of stores clekcs, owners, etc).

 

[Esquire]

As promise to MyBB member TTYGT, the Intel i7 2600K stk#BX80623172600K will be on Monday morning and ready for despatching on Monday afternoon please see the Dealer section for the pricing under Processors

" Now I can go home and have supper"

 

[Chris Erodis]

Gnome you have no idea what my business is about and also have no idea what i do for a living besides providing gaming systems to happy customers who know of my IT company. I am also a distributor(importer) of sound and light equipment and have 53 people employed in my business who are all highly qualified within the company. We have calls every now and then from end users who want some of the equipment we sell to our dealers but we do not supply them at all, if they are not happy with the dealer they have previously bought from we direct them to another and provide them with the recommended retail price which has a 20% markup to protect our clients, its then the dealers choice to change the price to the end user as they wish, they can choose to make 10% if thats what they want.
Our main goal is to make sure that the dealers who support us weather we have good or bad months are always looked after with price protection.

When you buy a BMW M3 and something goes wrong with it do u go to a backyard mechanic who has qualified himself through the internet using google?
When u need a tripple by pass op do u use the cheapest doctor you can find?
When u have a problem with your telkom adsl line and you phone their help line to reset the DSLAM are u 1 of those who gets upset that you are speaking to someone who does not know what they are doing?

Because of so many consumers who don't want to pay for anything and want everything for nothing, some companies can no longer employ qualified staff to deal with end users.

A successful business is built on relationships, and this is something many still have to learn before they see some success.

 

[Gnome]

When you buy a BMW M3 and something goes wrong with it do u go to a backyard mechanic who has qualified himself through the internet using google?
When u need a tripple by pass op do u use the cheapest doctor you can find?
When u have a problem with your telkom adsl line and you phone their help line to reset the DSLAM are u 1 of those who gets upset that you are speaking to someone who does not know what they are doing?

Your examples are crude. Medicine doesn't advance at the speed IT does and cars don't change often, especially for a "BMW mechanic" who is taught to service x amount of cars. He knows just those cars and BMW only release a new platform every 5 years.

You are also comparing a platform created by OEMs (Intel, Asus, etc.) and sold with specific instructions (available on the internet) to something like medicine that isn't a platform rolled out by a company but rather science based on observation. And most car dealerships these days suck anyway so it's hardly a good example.

The internet is THE defacto textbook and source of information for IT. The fact that you don't know that shows me you are one of those uninformed people I was talking about.

Everything IT related is the most up to date on the internet and I challenge anyone to show me anything they studied related to IT not available on the internet or prove me wrong.

What exactly makes you or your staff more qualified?

 

[nakedpeanut]

Esquire: RAT 7 retails @ R774.06 (inc vat)
Rebeltech: RAT 7 retails @ R745.52

So even on their special esquire is more expensive than the retailer... wow what do you know chris..

 

[Chris Erodis]

As i said before Gnome... the only people who will defend Esquire here are people like you who need Esquire as a scape goat to bypass the ethical way of doing business so you will have every excuse as to why you wont support the correct channels. As i can tell, you are an "owner" of a business who has BSc(CS) degree. Having a degree in computer science is a good thing because at least you took the time to educate yourself through the correct channels, so that you could invest in yourself.
Why dont you come and work for me i need people like you

 

[Joe_M]

I am also a distributor(importer) of sound and light equipment and have 53 people employed in my business QUOTE]

@Chris Can i buy directly frm u or do i need to go retail to purchase these items??
can you give me details for sum1 in Cape Town thnx, i would prefer dealing with u directly

 

[Chris Erodis]

LOL..good one Joe_M tx for having a great sense of humour....u will have to contact Marshall Music in JHB for great pricing or if u really want the best price contact Lee Gold Music and they provide really great service.

Alternatively Paul Bothners will be able to assist you in and around CT.

 

[Joe_M]

LOL..good one Joe_M tx for having a great sense of humour....u will have to contact Marshall Music in JHB for great pricing or if u really want the best price contact Lee Gold Music and they provide really great service.

Alternatively Paul Bothners will be able to assist you in and around CT.

Thnx I have seen the one at N1 City

 

[Gnome]

Why dont you come and work for me i need people like you

Haha, got a job at a great company, thanks

However I'm not the only one, some of the other guys on the forum here have the same and better qualifications. There definitely isn't a lack of skills and/or knowledge here IMHO.