Europe's Green Fall

[Nicodeamus]

This documentary shows the impact of the European energy policies and how it effects the poorest of the poor.

 

[MockTurtle]

Not to diminish the fact that the shift to renewable energy is not an easy one, but I just want to point out this
documentary is produced by a lobby group that promotes climate change denial.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Not to diminish the fact that the shift to renewable energy is not an easy one, but I just want to point out this
documentary is produced by a lobby group that promotes climate change denial.

Not denial, they are skeptical of the extreme interpretation.

calling someone a denialist or a skeptic these days is a way of shutting them down. In the past they used to be heretics.

 

[Aquila ka Hecate]

Not denial, they are skeptical of the extreme interpretation.

calling someone a denialist or a skeptic these days is a way of shutting them down. In the past they used to be heretics.

These days, they are just bloody idiots.

 

[Nicodeamus]

These days, they are just bloody idiots.

why? I don’t think that people are aware of the damage that Energy poverty is doing to many of Europe’s poor.

 

[w1z4rd]

So, anyone waste their bandwidth on this? Do they have a solution to deal with climate change or are they just complaining about how its done?

 

[Lupus]

What about California energy problems? Look they needed peaking plants as well, yet according to the solar and wind zealots people need to change their usage patterns.
So no you can't cook when you get home, or bath or anything you must keep those demands low from 5pm to 9pm.

 

[pinball wizard]

What's a "europ"?

Anyway I keep reading the thread as "green fail"...

 

[Lupus]

What's a "europ"?

Anyway I keep reading the thread as "green fail"...

It kinda is to be honest, the drive for green energy is not going as well as expected.

 

[konfab]

So, anyone waste their bandwidth on this? Do they have a solution to deal with climate change or are they just complaining about how its done?

I can complain how it is done.

For example, when they shut down perfectly functioning nuclear reactors because of complete fearmongering.

The German Federation for the Environment and Nature Conservation (BUND) welcomed the news. A BUND spokesman said the group hoped to see the end of nuclear power being "conjured up again and again as a supposed healing charm and climate savior."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-shuts...er the accident,of its atomic energy stations.

 

[konfab]

What's a "europ"?

The successor state to Yurp

 

[Nicodeamus]

So, anyone waste their bandwidth on this? Do they have a solution to deal with climate change or are they just complaining about how its done?

lots of options are available and they don’t include further impoverishing poor people.

carbon sequestration is the one that makes me most excited. I keep om going back to freeman Dysan’s dissent from years ago when this movement started.

Freeman Dyson on ‘heretical’ thoughts about global warmimg

By Freeman Dyson My first heresy says that all the fuss about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of climate model experts and the crowd of deluded citize…

wattsupwiththat.com

he understood then as now that we need to get the carbon back into the reservoirs.

Telling poor people that they need to stop emitting C02 while you fly from city to city like Al Gore and Greta Thurnberg, risks political upheaval like we had with the gillet jaune in France.

 

[Polymathic]

Not denial, they are skeptical of the extreme interpretation.

calling someone a denialist or a skeptic these days is a way of shutting them down. In the past they used to be heretics.

To be a Skeptic one needs the ability to think logically and understand at the very least some knowledge of the topic at hand.....

 

[Nicodeamus]

To be a Skeptic one needs the ability to think logically and understand at the very least some knowledge of the topic at hand.....

exactly and they do fall into that category. Being a denialists I suppose is just being ignorant.

 

[Johnatan56]

I think we should probably just pin a thread that begins with explaining why the stuff you post is biased nonsense, just make sure it's above your one or force you to link it as the first post each time since you keep making more and more of these threads that keep rehashing the same argument. Both you and Lupus.

 

[Nicodeamus]

I think we should probably just pin a thread that begins with explaining why the stuff you post is biased nonsense, just make sure it's above your one or force you to link it as the first post each time since you keep making more and more of these threads that keep rehashing the same argument. Both you and Lupus.

Please do point out where I am posting nonsense and also please remember that I am actually working in the Energy sector and that I am qualified to talk about it,

thank you.

 

[Lupus]

Please do point out where I am posting nonsense and also please remember that I am actually working in the Energy sector and that I am qualified to talk about it,

thank you.

He's a renewable zealot.

 

[Nicodeamus]

He's a renewable zealot.

yes and astonishing uninformed.

 

[Lupus]

yes and astonishing uninformed.

Wait till they come on here and say that peak demands aren't real, and if they are people need to adjust.
I mean the world over the peak demands are from 6am to about 9am, than again from 5pm till about 9pm, you know the times the sun isn't shining .
I mean even here in sunny SA our CSP hits 300MW, wind is a bit more averaging around 600MW during our peak periods, I've seen CSP down to 99MW, which is barely anything.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Wait till they come on here and say that peak demands aren't real, and if they are people need to adjust.
I mean the world over the peak demands are from 6am to about 9am, than again from 5pm till about 9pm, you know the times the sun isn't shining .
I mean even here in sunny SA our CSP hits 300MW, wind is a bit more averaging around 600MW during our peak periods, I've seen CSP down to 99MW, which is barely anything.

I’ve realised that people also have a high rate of innumeracy, for one when they tell about Energy storage then they are on the order of megawatts at best.

when it comes to sensible power for industrial usage then we are talking about Gigawatts.

We all suffer from wanting to share our favorite graphs, but shortly powering the world on a renewable storage solution is fantasy and you can explain it all with basic physics (ie energy density by volume and mass).

I an waiting for all of these guys to show me which batter solution is going to power lonmin, the South Deep Mine, Tokyo city, Cement Manufacturing, Steel Mills, etc?

China is adding 700 more Coal Power Plants to the belt in road initiative, do you think that they give a crap about what the example the EU leads?

By the end of this century 1/3 of the world’s population will be in Africa.
Are black people not going to want to develop using their own resources because Greta Thurnberg preaches to them?

The most sensible solution to all of this is to try and accept some warming of the planet and to try and use the C02 in the air to replenish the topsoil.