Evidence for Evolution: resources

Come now rwenzori, I asked you to give one example of something that happened without a cause. You gave the universe as an example. Are you going to tell the good folk of MyBB that the universe is the only thing without a cause? Surely you can understand that there is a cause for the stochastic behaviour of molucules.... Hint hint, it has something to do with the laws of the universe and scientists are still trying get the big picture. Imagine rwnezori walking into a research institution saying:
Sorry folks, there is no cause for the stochastic behaviour of these particles because you know what, crap happens. Buhlieve it.

You will be laughed at I am afraid...
 
Phronesis said:
The universe is an open system? :eek:
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It's unlikely, but I confess that I don't know. The fact is that it is irrelevant in your analogy, and within the context of the thread which is about evolution on Earth. Earth is not a closed system.

Tickle me this... paraphrased:
One time-frame of the universe has NO impact on the following frame. The effects in the universe are the result intelligible and fine-tuned laws resulting in the arrow of time and the effects we as agents observe. Changes in one time-frame of the universe will have no impact on the next frame. The effects you and I observe is the RESULT, not a cause.
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Mumbo-jumbo. Your analogy was oversimplified bull**** with no clear aim other than to troll in this thread.


Just no intelligent noise right? Like an agent...making a TV show, creating, manipulating and sending information...
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And there is the straw-man.



Well, I might as well tell you the same thing since you have no coherent, non-self-refuting position either.
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Well you could, but you'd be wrong. I have a very clear position.

With the current data to hand, the ToE is the best fit to explain the evolution of species. The idea of external agency in the observed evolution of species in highly improbable and raises more problems than it solves. In fact the probability of agency in this process is many, many orders lower than that of the currently scientifically accepted process. "Front-loaded evolution" and "Intelligent Design" are concepts made up to force-fit the existing evidence into a pre-conceived model of fundamentalist God-based creationism, and are, as such, not science. I think that my position is clear. Now you.
 
Phronesis said:
Are you going to tell the good folk of MyBB that the universe is the only thing without a cause?
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OK. What part of this did you fail to comprehend:

rwenzori said:
Not at all old chop. You asked for "one example", so I gave you a nice big one LOL! :p

Plenty other random stuffs going on all the time.
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Do you claim ( it being my turn now ) that the universe does have a cause? If so, provide evidence thereof ( in your own words, mind ).
 
How about backing up your claim that the "Plenty other random stuffs going on all the time" has no cause... Or do they have a cause leaving your solid single example of of the universe that has no cause looking like little more than special pleading.
 
Phronesis said:
How about backing up your claim that the "Plenty other random stuffs going on all the time" has no cause... Or do they have a cause leaving your solid single example of of the universe that has no cause looking like little more than special pleading.
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Later. Your turn to back up your claims now. Or claim. Which looks like special pleading LOL! :p
 
No no, the claim that everything in the universe having a cause but the universe not having a cause is just one massive case special of pleading old chop. And unscientific as well as philosophically meaningless.
 
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Phronesis said:
No no, the claim that everything in the universe having a cause but the universe not having a cause is just one massive case special pleading old chop. And unscientific as well as philosophically meaningless.
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Which is not what I claim. But, over to you. Please explain why there must be a "prime mover" or "first cause". Own words now - no quote-mining old boy LOL!
:D
 
You claim there are other "uncaused" examples. Yet provide no scientific reason to even believe your claim. Laughable really. Which leaves us with your solitary special pleading claim that the universe is the only example of something that does not have a cause...
 
Phronesis said:
You claim there are other "uncaused" examples. Yet provide no scientific reason to even believe your claim. Laughable really. Which leaves us with your solitary special pleading claim that the universe is the only example of something that does not have a cause...
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Rinse... repeat....

rwenzori said:
Later. Your turn to back up your claims now. Or claim. Which looks like special pleading LOL! :p
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One more time, with feeling LOL....

rwenzori said:
Later. Your turn to back up your claims now. Or claim. Which looks like special pleading LOL! :p
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One for the road...

rwenzori said:
Later. Your turn to back up your claims now. Or claim. Which looks like special pleading LOL! :p
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I'm thinking it is getting to the point of hitting you with the greasemonkey again. Especially after you got so badly mauled at skeptics LOL!
 
Here we go!


Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
And Its good enough for me

It was good for Paul and Peter
It was good for Paul and Peter
It was good for Paul and Peter
And its good enough for me

It was good for the hebrew children
It was good for the hebrew children
It was good for the hebrew children
And its good enough for me

Altogether now...

Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
Give me that old time religion
And Its good enough for me
 
Waiting for your other "uncaused" examples old chop... Maybe then your solitary special pleading claim that the universe is the only example of something that does not have a cause will sound a bit more... reasonable...
 
Phrony, you're very quick to ask for examples... not so quick to answer simple questions.

You claimed that I had no position, I responded, now it's your turn. Tell us exactly what your position is. And don't merely ask another question, or ask for an example, or post a list of links. Just give us all a simple statement... not much to ask, really. Failing that, it will have to be concluded that you are just an annoying troll.
 
I will respond to you, you at least have the decency to engage in a more civil manner.
 
Oh dear, and this coming from the saintly, never insulting alloytoo. You can detect your own veiled insults using reductionism not? Perhaps your reductionism-can-detect-something meter is broken :eek:?

Rather calm down and sooth your reductionism-can-detect-something meter with some music. Hope your reductionism-can-detect-something meter can detect beauty though...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwkUdu0FUDM[/ame]
 
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