Evolution

[hawker]

True, thunderbird is cross platform and works in general, however Evolution does tend to work better in most cases. I used to use Thunderbird all the time, until I needed to start integrate things with the office. I can accept meeting requests, which goes directly into my Google calender which then syncs to my phone. Now most phones can connect to exchange directly but integrating it all in Thunderbird is a bit more work. Also Evolution at least is working on a Mapi library.

Oh Thunderbird at a time crashed regularly on me, until I moved over to Evolution, at which point those problems went away.

Now I am not saying Evolution is the best, I have a few things I don't like about it, mostly as to how it handle picture attachments. My personal preference for now will stay with Evolution at least.

True, in an office environmnet I guess evolution would be much better. I don't really have a need for that, I purely use Thunderbird/Evolution for email only.

I'm inclined to give Evolution an extended run though.

 

[tobias crow]

Why does it always have to be about which is better? Define "better". Whats better for me isn't necessarily better for you. I use Evolution; it works for me. I dislike Thunderbird but that doesn't mean it sucks; many people use and love it. Same with the whole OS war. Who cares if Ubuntu, Windows or OSX is better? Its only an OS at the end of the day and makes no difference to the world going round. I hate Windows and, after using Fedora for a while, have switched exclusively to Ubuntu since version 7. It works for me but there's a lot of choice for everyone. To each his own I say.

 

[w1z4rd]

Yeah, he's trying to make it like Windows, the #1 bug he is trying to squash...

I disagree with that.

He is trying to make it work. Simply. Something that I would hope would be an achievement across platforms. If he wanted to make it like windows he would be heading more down the PCLinuxOS road. Which he is not.

Also, if you want the "windows" look KDE is your partner, not Gnome. Its more "windows-ish". Nothing on my desktop looks remotely like windows and I run Ubuntu. The only thing thats the same is .. it has a desktop... with icons on it.

 

[ponder]

I disagree with that.

He is trying to make it work. Simply. Something that I would hope would be an achievement across platforms. If he wanted to make it like windows he would be heading more down the PCLinuxOS road. Which he is not.

Also, if you want the "windows" look KDE is your partner, not Gnome. Its more "windows-ish". Nothing on my desktop looks remotely like windows and I run Ubuntu. The only thing thats the same is .. it has a desktop... with icons on it.

I'm not even talking about the looks of the OS.

I'm referring to the integration that destroys the desktop if you try and remove a certain components, just like Windows & IE for example.
Nobody should dictate to people what apps they should use and cannot uninstall.

 

[w1z4rd]

I see what you mean. Evolution is tied into the ubuntu-desktop and looks very hard to remove.

 

[MyWorld]

Hence we like modular. You can read almost all mailing lists of distros that once used Ubuntu as a platform, they all sing the same song. It is impossible to write and develop for Ubuntu unless you are a Ubuntu def yourself.

Because they integrate everything into one tight package it is impossible to change or add something without everything breaking somewhere. Look at EEEbuntu, they now moved away from Ubuntu as platform just because it became impossible to write modules and apps that integrate with it.

Good for Ubuntu, they offer a complete Ubuntu package, bad for the rest of the FOSS since almost all their fixes and additions are Ubuntu specific.

 

[WildPikachu]

Evolution still needs alot of work... Its a far cry from MS Outlook...the rest i can live with.

+1 , Evolution in a very high demand environment as of version 2.28.2 doesn't cope very well. Especially when you start adding directory servers to the mix and around 10+ IMAP accounts.

 

[milomak]

i think it is actually gnome that has evolution as a dependency on evolution rather than it being an ubuntu fault. pretty sure that on my debian install if i try to remove evolution it wants to nuke all of gnome.

edit: this seems to confirm it

edit2: definitely a debian issue with gnome dependencies

$ aptitude show gnome
Package: gnome                           
New: yes
State: not installed
Version: 1:2.30+1
Priority: optional
Section: gnome
Maintainer: Debian GNOME Maintainers <[email protected]>
Uncompressed Size: 24.6k
Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+1), gdm3 | gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.30), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.30), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.14),
         gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.10), rhythmbox-plugins (>= 0.12.8) | banshee (>= 1.6), rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder (>= 0.12.8) | banshee (>= 1.6), synaptic (>= 0.63), system-config-printer (>=
         1.0.0), totem-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, gedit-plugins, [b]evolution-plugins (>= 2.30), evolution-exchange (>= 2.30) | evolution-mapi (>= 0.30), evolution-webcal (>= 2.28)[/b], software-center,
         gnome-codec-install, transmission-gtk, arj, avahi-daemon, tomboy (>= 1.2) | gnote