Expensive Fine Notices to Keep Coming

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The Joburg Metro Police Department (JMPD), despite not getting one cent in revenue from traffic fines, is going to continue not only issuing fines against motorists, but also spending R8 million a month on sending out infringement notices by registered mail.

All this knowing there will be no returns, as the few fines collected, believed to be at less than 10 percent of the 400 000 a month issued, are paid over to the Road Traffic Infringement Agency (RTIA) which is supposed to, but does not pay part of the money back to Joburg.

The Star reported last month that the RTIA has failed to send out courtesy letters since December 22, rendering all traffic fines in Joburg and Tshwane illegal. These letters are supposed to be sent, within 32 days, to motorists who fail to pay.

If they are not sent, as specifically required by the Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences (Aarto) Act, the fines are invalid and no action can be taken.

Following The Star’s report, the RTIA refuted the facts, saying the fines were legal. Speaking on radio, it undertook to start sending the courtesy letters on June 1, claiming it had not been doing this because of ongoing postal strikes.

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The Star has been unsuccessful in reaching the RTIA for comment on this. The agency has failed to answer questions put to it several times through e-mails and SMSes over the past two weeks.

Metro police spokesman Wayne Minnaar confirmed that the monthly bill for issuing infringement notices by registered mail amounted to R8 million.

“The motorists continue to pay their fines, and fines are paid directly to RTIA. The city is not, therefore, in a position to provide accurate information whether there is an increase or decrease in fine payments. Compliance with law and law enforcement is important to the city and its residence and the JMPD will continue to enforce the law and motorists will be required to pay their fines.”

The RTIA deputy registrar, Sherman Amos, said on radio that fines do not expire.

However, the Aarto Act clearly states that these letters “shall” be sent by registered mail within 32 days of the infringement, meaning therefore that the legal time frames have expired if they are not sent.

In effect, this means that the fines will never be closed or loaded against a person’s ID number or eNatis records. This has been confirmed by Howard Dembovsky of the Justice Project South Africa.

He said section 31(2) of the Aarto Act states that “the laws on prescription are not applicable to penalties, and they may be collected at any time”, however, reading or citing this provision in isolation of the rest of the act is reckless and disingenuous at best.

Sections 17, 19, 20, 21 and 30 of the act lay down the procedures which must be followed in dealing with infringements. -The Star

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The AA has said that if motorists had received a fine via ordinary mail, it was not legal and therefore unenforcable. This applied to fines sent out before December 22, 2012.

“But it is important to note that you cannot simply tear it up and throw it away.

“Only traffic fines issued via registered mail are legal, but even the illegal fines remain on the system.

“The only way to remove these fines altogether is to fill in an Aarto 08 form. This form can be filled in on the Aarto website and submitted online in the event of a dispute over the legitimacy of the fine.

“The driver has 64 days from the date of offense to submit this form.”

Source: http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/indus...notices-to-keep-coming-1.1537273#.UcmdVG09_Po
 
lol... and these idiots think that they will be able to start collecting e-toll revenue soon??? :rolleyes:
 
Also note that Ekurhuleni has not had DPP approval for speeding camera sites since December last year. All fines issued by Ekurhuleni for non-fixed site cameras since December are illegal and must not be paid...
 
Also note that Ekurhuleni has not had DPP approval for speeding camera sites since December last year. All fines issued by Ekurhuleni for non-fixed site cameras since December are illegal and must not be paid...

And of the fixed camera sites, only those which are housed in the Green Boxes are operational.
Those in the Grey boxes are currently unmaintained.
The two different types of boxes are managed by two different companies.
 
They spend 8 million a month in an attempt to recover R400K???? What the hell? Awesome business sense!

EDIT: Never mind, I am the dunce. 400 000 fines issued a month.
 
And of the fixed camera sites, only those which are housed in the Green Boxes are operational.
Those in the Grey boxes are currently unmaintained.
The two different types of boxes are managed by two different companies.

I'll try to get a list from TMT this evening...
 
400,000 fines issued per month.
An estimated 10% payment rate = 40,000 fines responded to.
Assuming wildly that all fines are for R500 = R20,000,000.
However, let's assume that 50% of people who decide to pay their fine will make an effort to pay in the first 30 days to get the discount = R15,000,000.

If RTIA were to pay back JMPD for these fines, they would obviously keep a cut to cover their costs.
So let's wildly assume that JMPD gets 80% of the money = R12,000,000. (Minus bank fees and transaction fees) But it cost them R8mil to send out the notices = R4,000,000 left. (minus SARS' cut of the income).

Add to that the cost of the equipment, maintenance, training, certification, transportation, KFC lunches and salaries.

Yeah....
 
400,000 fines issued per month.
An estimated 10% payment rate = 40,000 fines responded to.
Assuming wildly that all fines are for R500 = R20,000,000.
However, let's assume that 50% of people who decide to pay their fine will make an effort to pay in the first 30 days to get the discount = R15,000,000.

If RTIA were to pay back JMPD for these fines, they would obviously keep a cut to cover their costs.
So let's wildly assume that JMPD gets 80% of the money = R12,000,000. (Minus bank fees and transaction fees) But it cost them R8mil to send out the notices = R4,000,000 left. (minus SARS' cut of the income).

Add to that the cost of the equipment, maintenance, training, certification, transportation, KFC lunches and salaries.

Yeah....

Except that RTIA is not a for profit company. They aren't supposed to make a pofit fom fines. Fines are supposed to there to keep us safer. RTIA should be funded by government.
 
And of the fixed camera sites, only those which are housed in the Green Boxes are operational.
Those in the Grey boxes are currently unmaintained.
The two different types of boxes are managed by two different companies.

FYI Gary, you might have this the other way around. Confirmed this evening with my TMT source that the grey boxes are operational and perhaps some of the green boxes may not be (those not managed by TMT).

Arranging a list of fixed sites in JHB. Will post when I have them...
 
JHB fixed site locations:

Oak Street X 2 (Rossetenville)
Camaro (Alberton)
The M1 by Booysens Offramp
Double Decker X 2 towards PTA
Roberts Street (near Kensington)
Oxford Street
Beyers Naude X 2 near Westpark Cemetery
Jan Smuts X2 (1st by the zoo, 2nd is further north)
Cnr Rustenburg Rd & 3rd Str (near Blairgowrie)
Barry Hertzhog (under the bridge - close to Emmarentia)
Heidelberg Rd (by the pedestrian crossing) X2

And possibly a few others but I'm being narrated to and the "narrator" can't recall the others...:D
 
FYI Gary, you might have this the other way around. Confirmed this evening with my TMT source that the grey boxes are operational and perhaps some of the green boxes may not be (those not managed by TMT).

Arranging a list of fixed sites in JHB. Will post when I have them...

OK it's possible I have them confused.

What about Ekurhuleni?

Do you have any idea what is going on there?
 
OK it's possible I have them confused.

What about Ekurhuleni?

Do you have any idea what is going on there?

Still no DPP approval but fixed sites are still operational. Manned cameras are illegal and in fact I haven't seen any manned cameras in Ekurhuleni for some time now already...
 
Ok please someone explain this to me because im not sure , I have two infringements dated back in January 2013 , i have not recieved courtesy letters or anything for them but if i log onto the aarto site i can still see the two infringements linked to my ID number, i have surpassed the dates of paying the discounted rate, aswell as the court date , am i in trouble?
 
Sorry to be slightly off topic but if a traffic official randomly sets up camp with a speed trap and catches you, is that legal?
 
Sorry to be slightly off topic but if a traffic official randomly sets up camp with a speed trap and catches you, is that legal?

The laser traps? You'll be lucky to actually SEE a metro/traffic cop actually sitting at the device and not sleeping in the cab.
 
Sorry to be slightly off topic but if a traffic official randomly sets up camp with a speed trap and catches you, is that legal?

It depends....

1) The site of the trap has to be approved by the DPP.
2) The cops may not be hidden from view
3) The equipment has to be calibrated and certified.
4) The personnel have to be qualified and certified to operate the equipment.
5) The fine has to be served on you in the appropriate manner.

etc....
 
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