Explain something to me (GFX and CPU)

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How much impact does a processor have on gaming?

So... say I have a Core2Duo 6300 1.86GHz; and then a GeForce 9600GT

Then on that setup I play a game like The Witcher 2 but it is laggy even on lowest graphics.

If I now upgrade the graphics card, will the game run faster, or is it the processors fault?

Thanks!
 
How much impact does a processor have on gaming?

So... say I have a Core2Duo 6300 1.86GHz; and then a GeForce 9600GT

Then on that setup I play a game like The Witcher 2 but it is laggy even on lowest graphics.

If I now upgrade the graphics card, will the game run faster, or is it the processors fault?

Thanks!


It can have a big impact. However, the Witcher 2 was coded by gorillas. I would upgrade my entire PC though. I had to buy a new GPU to replace my 9800gt as it was struggling with battlefield 3, and also I had to overclock my Q8200 to 2.8Ghz...

Seeing as your CPU is a dual core @ 1.82, I really think that won't do too well in games either :(. Sorry man.
 
A CPU doesn't have that much effect on games, provided it's powerful enough to handle the game properly. I.e you won't see much (or any really) difference between a midrange Core i5 and a super expensive i7. I'm sure the usual crew (i.e suckers who spent R10k on some EXTREMEZ0RZ Edition or something) will be in to disagree shortly.

In your case though, I'd say it's both, a 6 year-old CPU would very likely be a factor. That is to say, you will see the biggest improvement from a new graphics card, but the CPU will probably still hold you back.
 
Okay thanks so if I was to upgrade my GPU only (cheapest option) would it run The Witcher 2?

It's odd because the game looks pretty crap on low graphics and I can run things like Skyrim on high.
 
Cpu has a major impact, you need a new gpu and cpu. No point having a good gpu limited by a kuk cpu and visa versa. I am not saying your cpu is kuk but for gaming it is.

Quadcore intel and perhaps a 560 should do the trick.

Really depends on the game but most modern games would require more power cpu wise.
 
You'll definitely see a big improvement, but whether it will be enough, I don't know. Like scotty said, Twitcher 2 is very poorly coded and needs a lot of horsepower to run well.

Skyrim, on the other hand, is a console port so that will run great on almost anything.
 
You'll definitely see a big improvement, but whether it will be enough, I don't know. Like scotty said, Twitcher 2 is very poorly coded and needs a lot of horsepower to run well.

Skyrim, on the other hand, is a console port so that will run great on almost anything.

Odd i would have thought games ported from console would run poorer on pc and have more issues over games made for pc. At least that is how i understand it.

they would also make use of more than 2 cores so ported pc games would usually love a quadcore over a dual core but i could be mistaken.
 
+1 to what TJ99 said.

You'll need to get your CPU to like a minimum of say an i5 2400 to ensure that your CPU isn't the bottleneck when it comes to gaming.
Once you have a good CPU like that, you can upgrade your graphics.

At this moment you can launch like MSI AfterBurner and Task Manager/Process Explorer to see whether it is your CPU/GPU that is the bottle-neck. Most likely it would be your CPU, closely followed by your GPU.

Often the resolution has a much bigger impact on the framerate than the level of detail (with the exclusion of AA/AF).
 
A CPU doesn't have that much effect on games, provided it's powerful enough to handle the game properly. I.e you won't see much (or any really) difference between a midrange Core i5 and a super expensive i7. I'm sure the usual crew (i.e suckers who spent R10k on some EXTREMEZ0RZ Edition or something) will be in to disagree shortly.

Your first point is very important the provided part...

The CPU is very important depending on the game - games like Civ V and BF3 require a lot of CPU.
A friend and I have an identical GFX cards but he has a i5 and I have a i7 - my FPS doesn’t budge from 60fps his hovers around 45fps. But yes I agree the extreme CPUs are for the supa $$$
 
How much impact does a processor have on gaming?

So... say I have a Core2Duo 6300 1.86GHz; and then a GeForce 9600GT

Then on that setup I play a game like The Witcher 2 but it is laggy even on lowest graphics.

If I now upgrade the graphics card, will the game run faster, or is it the processors fault?

Thanks!

A quad is needed to game. Even a slow quad core is better than a fast dual core.
 
that pc is good for old school games, half life 2, css etc. For newer games you will have to upgrade to at least a i3 and gtx 450. u should be fine then.
 
that pc is good for old school games, half life 2, css etc. For newer games you will have to upgrade to at least a i3 and gtx 450. u should be fine then.

Thing is I can run something like Max Payne 3 fine.
 
So much ****e information in one thread it makes the head spin :wtf: Both CPU and GPU are important for a number of reasons that would take pages to go entirely through
In your case I would actually add RAM to the mix too,as you seem to be running quite an old rig ;)

As for what would give you the best performance boost,I assume you have a gig of RAM: Graphics card,RAM,CPU

Save a bit,can get a nice upgrade bundle cheap these days,even an i3,4Gig RAM and a 5750 would make you wet your pants at the speed increase
 
So much ****e information in one thread it makes the head spin :wtf: Both CPU and GPU are important for a number of reasons that would take pages to go entirely through
In your case I would actually add RAM to the mix too,as you seem to be running quite an old rig ;)

As for what would give you the best performance boost,I assume you have a gig of RAM: Graphics card,RAM,CPU

Save a bit,can get a nice upgrade bundle cheap these days,even an i3,4Gig RAM and a 5750 would make you wet your pants at the speed increase

I have 4 gig RAM already.
 
At least that's mildly okay,if you really can't afford to get an upgrade bundle check if you can get at least a 75xx series Core 2 Duo and a 57xx series ATI card on the cheapo ( lots flying around on sites like carbonite ),will give you some breathing room,though ideally you should upgrade everything
 
You dont meet the min system requirements for CPU or GPU, so both must be upgraded.

Then generally speaking most games are more GPU dependant than CPU dependant.
 
How much impact does a processor have on gaming?

So... say I have a Core2Duo 6300 1.86GHz; and then a GeForce 9600GT

Then on that setup I play a game like The Witcher 2 but it is laggy even on lowest graphics.

If I now upgrade the graphics card, will the game run faster, or is it the processors fault?

Thanks!

Since everyone's giving conflicting information here, there's no real concrete answer as to what would help improve your performance in every game out there. Most developers out there code for the biggest userbase with the most mid-range hardware to help make sure that the game runs fine on all computers (Valve and Blizzard are two examples). Others, like CD Projekt Red, took the Crysis route and chose not to optimise things so that the game could run on lower-end hardware because they developed the game to take advantage of specific technologies. They wanted better visuals and the chance to let gamers who spent a lot of money on their rigs feel satisfied that those purchase choices were well-made. That's why Crytek had to create a DX11 patch for Crysis 2 because they knew the inevitable backlash by high-end gamers would be huge if they left the game in DX9 mode.

Consider, though, the problem that your platform has. You're using a Core 2 Duo chip that wasn't the most popular one and is strapped for L3 cache. You're sitting with an aged GPU that today is closer to a GT440 than anything else in terms of performance. You're on a barely supported platform these days (LGA775) with chipsets and on-board hardware that probably hasn't received an update in years. You're probably even using DDR2 RAM, something that most devs don't account for these days because DDR3 is the mainstream product and has higher transfer rates (and its what their dev computers and even console kits are shipped with). Your hard drive probably bottlenecks things in its own way with lowered transfer rates because you've been using it daily for years.

As a whole, your platform brings performance down in a big way. You'd only see notable improvements by swinging things in one direction - upgrading to a Core i3 with 4GB of DDR3 RAM and keeping your GPU and running things at medium-to-low settings at 720p resolution. The bottom line is that at your current settings there's not enough muscle or bandwidth to feed either the GPU or the CPU with the information it needs. By playing it at low settings and resolution you're pushing more work onto your CPU to provide the muscle to perform the code executions to make things go smoothly.

If you want a refresh and better performance, you have to do an entire upgrade. There's various low-cost options for you if you want to go this route and it doesn't have to break the bank. Hell, you could partly finance it by considering selling your existing rig, although you may find a better use for it in another capacity besides gaming. But mostly, you're between four to six hardware generations behind the curve and its time to get back up to speed.

A quad is needed to game. Even a slow quad core is better than a fast dual core.

That's not exactly true. There's a tipping point where it makes little difference moving onto a quad-core when you're on a fast dual-core. Intel's proved that point with the Core i3 and even the Sandy Bridge Pentiums lacking Hyper-threading, by kitting them out with decent speeds, improved instruction sets, better efficiency and enough L3 cache to not hurt performance. AMD did that too to a point with Bulldozer, since the FX-4100 performs similarly to the Core i3-2120 despite it being a quad-core.

You don't need a quad-core for acceptable gaming performance these days, but it is optional. Balanced rigs still get things right (even cheaper ones) and its all about planning for the future and the resolution you're playing on, and at what settings.
 
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