I am confused as to whether you actually read the posts you are responding to. As you just stated, having no +BV gear you can easily get to 2K BV so if you had read my comment about BV, wasn't that is was useless, it was that it isn't worth sacrificing other stats to get this extra BV.
Then you start going into how some tanks are retards and don't use their abilities and neglect vital talents, this is not the discussion at all. If you want to twist the discussion into how other people suck and your way is the awesomeness, then there is no further use in this discussion.
As for Kungen, yes I agree it's silly gemming and gearing exactly like another tank especially when that tank has a significant gear advantage over you. You have to decide which stats fit you at your current level.
As for stacking stam, I still feel this is a valid way to go. Do I do this? No. Why? Because I feel the stats that you lose out on outweigh the addition stam that you get and I prefer having well rounded stats. There is nothing wrong with going either direction, it's just a slightly different playstyle, which both you and your healers need to be comfortable with. If you still insist that these "stamstacked" tanks are getting instagibbed, then either you are doing content that no-one has heard of yet where bosses hit you for more than 50k or you need to rethink about the meaning of "instantaneous".
Ok... let me at leasty try to explain this.
As impossible as it is to fully try explain the train of thought... try at least understand what im trying to convey.
Firstly.
What do i mean when i say stamstacking?
As noted before, when i say STAMSTACKED... i mean the guy is literally on the verge of 540 defense, his overall block/dodge/parry is below 40%... and every single gem and enchant he can humanly muster, is for stamina.
Moving on.
What is your job as a tank?
Two things.
1) Hold the attention of the enemy (Aggro)
2) Mitigate/avoid as much of the dmg that the enemy deals to you
If (2) was in fact not required... why cant i tank in my ret spec?
I can still reach 540 defense with the same gear!
Now, as you have 2 basic tasks as a tank... i want to focus really quick on the healer's job.
Heals have 1 Job:
Keep people, especially the tank, alive.
They do this by healing the damage that is indeed received.
Back to the tank.
By not mitigating the dmg as much as is in your power to do, you are not doing your (2) part of your job.
By instead stacking stamina, you are however, demanding that the healers make up for that.
What I am saying by this, is that yes, stamstackers are indeed being carried.
(Keep your panties dry, sit back and take a breath)
Now if we look at the frost badges tanking trinket.
What does this trinket do?
Adds stamina.
Adds a 2min CD 3k Damage mitigator.
Really odd.
2 Mins... 3k Dmg.
Ok, lets say i DONT use that trinket, lets look at a REALLY CHEAP/EASY Alternative.
Black Heart.
Black heart's proc has a 25% chance to activate.
Following very basic math it will take an average of 4 hits to proc. With 50% avoidance that's 6 enemy swings. If you're tanking a single mob, that's a 15 second delay (6 * 2.5). With the 45 second cooldown, that's one proc a minute (even in raid situations).
7000 Armor.
For 10 seconds, or if you want, 4 hits.
I'd be quite willing to bet that 7000 armor over 4 hits is much more total mitigated dmg than 3k (the amount from frost badge trinket).
Further accepting that Black Heart CAN proc every 45 seconds (internal cooldown), over a 2minute period, im very sure it will beat 3k by a continent's breadth.
But why do tanks assume the frost trinket is king?
"ZOMG ALMOST DOUBLE THE STAMINA!!!!!!"
Gratz. You just handed more work to the healers.
You are now being carried for a little more than you were yesterday.
1k hp more... 7k armor more... sorry boys, i vote armor all the way.
Sorry if this already turning wall of text.
Next part: Block.
Firstly to clarify, i would never recommend any tank should gem and gear specific to Block rating or Black value.
Yes there are exceptions, you will know them if its worth your time to know them.
Block rating of the average (i will take pally for this, just easier to start with) should be around 15-20%. For my sanity we will go with 20%.
Holy Shield (10 seconds duration, 8s cooldown) SHOULD be uptime 100%. Thats 30% Block rating, almost free so to speak.
That puts us on a nice, round 50%, chance to block. Run with me here, i know its not realistic, its just illustrative.
Ok.
Without gemming or gearing or enchanting into Block Value specifically, any average paladin should be NEAR 2k Block Value (naturally gained from strength) at ICC requirement levels.
That 2k, is a bit random, you wont always block the exact amount your value says you will, but lets not over-complicate it.
Block's damage reduction is applied AFTER other mitigation factors, such as armor, dmg-reducing trinkets, and talents.
Lets assume, boss hits for 50k to paperdolly.
Your armor, which at ICC gearlevels should be around 62-65% reduction (we will use 60% just to be soft on it), is applied to that.
Basic Required Talents: 12% (6% Righteous Fury, 3% Blessing Sanctuary, 3% Shield of Templar) -------> PS: im not even gonna bother with glyphs, try keep it simple
Damage Mitigated: 36k
Damage Left: 14k
Were now going to assume your trinkets etc are invalid and not up.
Block Value: AVG Median 2k (Just run with it)
Damage taken to HP: 12k
Boss hitting ever 2.5 Seconds, over 2 minutes= 48 Swings
With Shield: = 576k Dmg.
Without Shield = 672k Dmg.
100k dmg more... on to your healers. Disregarding the stress enough available in healing the raid... unavoidable dmg sources... etc etc.
We could now even push that further. A warrior with talent Critical Block, can block DOUBLE HIS BLOCK VALUE at quite a decent rate.
Just to show, Block is NOT useless. Far from it.
It is actually, rather damn useful. Especially when working TOWARDS that BiS status.
Don't go gemming it.
But now convince me that 83 Block Value from Titanium plate is worse than 18 Stam.
Now convince me that Black Heart is not possibly BETTER than the Frost Trinket, considering the 7k armor over 2 mins vs 3k dmg once every 2 mins.
All this considering, youre NOT BiS yet btw.
Dont come here slanting how awesome your gear, guildie's gear, whatever.
But were all guilty of preaching to the new players: "STACK TEH STAM BEBBY YEAHA LOOK MY EPEEN!"
Take this one step further and consider, that bosses hitting for 50k paperdoll... is Naxx 10 man.
How much MORE efficient are these numbers when more than doubled?
