External aerial for Neotel

Why were Neotel digging up roads and driveways if they are a wireless service? :confused:

Kind of a unnecessary question :)

Backbone my friend backbone.

Imagine this. If it would ALL be wireless you would prolly have a latency of 5000ms+, but with fiber optics the latency over 40 odd km wont exceed ~20ms.

So dropping cables to your signal masts is must, that is if you want to provide decent services. Plus they can easily connect bandwidth hungry businesses to to one of the now many underground access points.
 
@Robocop: Good to hear that you have been so successful. Any idea how far away you are from the nearest base station? What type of connector did you require to connect the antenna to the Neotel phone? Is the antenna mounted on your roof or just placed near the phone? Did you try to rotate the antenna by 90 degrees so the elements are vertical to check if there is any improvement in the signal - most of the cell phone Yagi's that are sold in SA are vertically polarised - see links. It would be interesting to compare the performance of your design with these two commercial models.
http://www.poynting.co.za/products/brochure/POYNTING - LPDA-A0021.pdf
http://www.poynting.co.za/products/brochure/POYNTING - YAGI-A0016.pdf

This link shows graphs of the performance of a variety of different C/D group (green band) TV antennas. For really marginal signals the XB16E is the best performer followed by the 18CD. These are both Yagi antennas - the XB16E is ~2.34m while the 18CD is around 1.72m. The Triboom 46 (see link) does not appear to perform as well as either of the standard Yagis while the log periodic designs have much lower gains. Clearly the length of the antenna is very important in resolving marginal signals.
http://www.aerialsandtv.com/atvstockaerialtests.html#CDgroup
http://www.satcure.co.uk/tech/dat45.htm
 
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I've got no idea how far the nearest base station is. I've got the arial on a pole mounted on the roof, and rotated the pole trough 360 deg to get the best reception.
It's quite interesting to hear about the vertical orientation, I've got mine mounted horizontally, might even make a bigger differance I will try it out. Got some other stuff to do today, so probably later this week.
Lastly, the connector connecting to the phone is a N-type male.
 
Good news .....I've build the Yagi http://www.perite.com/vk7jj/NextGYagi.htm, and it works like a charm.
Makes a HUGE differance...reception went up from 0-1 bars to 3 bars constant. Download speed went up from 3-6 kbps to 100-150 kBps. I'm really impressed.
Total cost about R150.

hi

please tell us/me in simple words/terms what you did and where did you get the parts/components from
with pics if possible.
im sorry but when you guys explain things to someone like me, you need to use the simplest words/terms possible.

thanks
 
It should be simple to construct that aerial. You need ~1.2m of 9.5mm aluminium tube from Metal Centre (see above). Cut the tube into 9 pieces using a Junior hacksaw (very small one) with the following lengths (in mm) - 168, 77, 77, 140, 136, 136, 130, 128, 126. If you cut the pieces 1-2mm longer than necessary you can file them down to the correct length with a sandpaper block so they have smooth square edges.

Next you need an ~1m boom to mount them on. The only purpose of the boom is to hold the small pieces of tube in place in the correct positions. You could use one of those square wooden stakes that they sell at the nurseries to support growing plants (~R5) or a wooden dowel stick from a hardware store. A nursery stake may be more durable when exposed to the rain etc. If you have a 1m piece of white plastic conduit available then this will also be suitable. You will probably need to purchase caps for both ends if you use a conduit to seal it to prevent it filling up with water when it rains. You can either drill 9.5mm holes through the centre of the boom and push the aluminium tubes through the holes or you can just glue the aluminium tubes onto the surface of the boom with epoxy or Q-bond (in this case a square wooden nursery stake would be preferable). You probably need to attach the boom to a TV aerial mast so you must leave some space on the boom for this purpose. Make a mark about 20cm from one end of the boom for the reflector (168mm piece of tube). From this point make markings at 74, 124, 202, 314, 428, 549 and 670mm. If you have done everything correctly the last mark should be 130mm away from the other end of the boom. These are the positions where you need to either drill holes or just glue the pieces of tube in place. All of the pieces must lie exactly parallel to each other as you can see in the photo of the aerial from your link. The driven element consists of two pieces of tube 77mm each in length. You need to find a small piece of wooden rod that you can squeeze inside both of the two tubes to keep them separated from one another by a distance of 1mm. The two wires of the coaxial cable need to be attached to the two pieces of the driven element. You can either use small screws with internal nuts or possibly very small fuel hose clips (jubilee clips) that you can tighten to hold the wires firmly against the aluminium tubes. Something like this would probably be suitable (the smaller the better and cut off any protruding strap) - http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/brmihocl7int.html

The screen and the central conductor wire must be kept very short. The cable will probably be the most expensive item. You can either purchase RG-58/U which is the cheapest option or LMR195 (slightly more expensive) or LMR400 (quite expensive) depending on your signal strength. The cheaper cables degrade the signal more than the more expensive ones. If your signal is very marginal then you may find that a better quality cable helps although I would recommend either the RG-58/U or the LMR195 at first. If you are using a wooden boom you should give it several coats of varnish after the glue has dried. Don't varnish the aluminium pipes, just the boom as this may affect the performance very slightly.

Here are links to suppliers for the different types of cables/connectors. You should first phone some of the electronic component suppliers in your area to enquire as the petrol charges could be higher than any component savings. You could ask the shop about attaching the N-connector to one side of the cable when you purchase it if you don't think that you will be able to attach this yourself. Make sure that you measure the amount of cable that you require very carefully before purchasing it using a piece of string as you can't join on additional pieces once it has been cut. It is also quite expensive so you don't want to purchase much more than is required.
N-type connectors and coaxial cables
http://www.mantech.co.za/Stock.aspx?Query=N-typeand
http://www.rfdesign.co.za/pages/5645456/Products/RF-Cables/RF-Cables.asp
http://www.rfdesign.co.za/pages/5645456/Products/RF-Connectors/N-TYPE-connectors.asp
Alternative sources for N-type connectors and coaxial cables (possibly more convenient - phone to enquire first)
www.mantech.co.za
www.spectron.co.za
www.spacetv.co.za
www.communica.co.za
www.ellies.co.za
www.zakspeed.co.za
www.miro.co.za

To summarise the costs - aluminium tube (~R14 for 2m), wooden boom or 1m piece of conduit (~R5), N-connector (~R25) and then RG158/U or LMR195 (~R5-R10 per metre).
 
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I built the arial but it made no difference. Still 2 bar signal and 20kb/s download. I cannot mount it high as I live in apartment complex on the ground floor..
 
I have got no bar or max 1 bar and that's why I did not get Neotel, if the Aerial can improve my reception I will consider.

Would be nice if I can buy one of these aerials from some shop at a reasonable price.
 
I built the arial but it made no difference. Still 2 bar signal and 20kb/s download. I cannot mount it high as I live in apartment complex on the ground floor..

Have you tried positioning the antenna in both the vertical and horizontal positions? I think that it is actually supposed to be vertically polarised. Are your element lengths and positions quite accurate? An error of 1 or 2mm can degrade the performance. Have you tried to test whether or not the antenna helps outdoors by temporarily attaching it to a broomstick etc. and then raising it while slowly rotating it to find the best signal. If you post some photographs that may also help - in particular the region where the coaxial cable connects to the driven element.
 
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Are your element lengths and positions quite accurate? An error of 1 or 2mm can degrade the performance.

That might be it:) It was really just a experiment, I have nowhere to permanently put it up anyway!

Thanks for the offer to help!
 
Hi all, a new Neotel user and so far so good :D

Just a short question about the aerial. Does anyone know the price range of various makes and models in JHB ?
 
Does anyone know if the Omni Directional Antenna from the iBurst Modem work in the same frequency range?

Would it be possible to just change the pigtail?

a quick google and I found it works in 1760 to 1810 MHz iBurst range, aaaawwww.
 
IMHO Neotel coverage maps is not an exact science, hence no matter if you at the bottom of a building, or a few km's out of "official" coverage, a decent homebuilt antenna should improve signals. Obviously, the more LOS you have, the better the antenna will perform.

Any case, one may need to re-test the direction your antenna is facing, as more and more towers are installed, even if you are still outside the coverage area.

Being in a valley like me sucks, as no amount of yagi's is going to help me :-(
 
antenna's

Hi guys not to trying to advertise but i found a company in Pretoria named radiant antennas maybe give them a call regarding an antenna and cable :D
personally I think R1300 is a bit expensive .. ;)
 
Does anyone know if the Omni Directional Antenna from the iBurst Modem work in the same frequency range?

Would it be possible to just change the pigtail?

a quick google and I found it works in 1760 to 1810 MHz iBurst range, aaaawwww.

Tried it and no improvment. Did not have a proper connector, but
Boer maak 'n plan"

PS: This was before somebody posted the magic number to get your signal strength on your device.
 
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