F1 2011 thread

Little-Mermaid said:
True, Vettel could have saved a set of tires if he didn't make that mistake though, well he didn't even need to go out again. Give the hamster a break man :P I'm glad for Vettel and Red-Bull. He just keeps showing people that it's not just the car.
Just hope Hamilton doesn't crash into Vettel ;)

Dunno about Webber, maybe Red-Bull was afraid he'd out qualify Vettel?
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No, it's not just the car, it's the setup. The race will be telling:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94453

Gear ratio for quali means he will struggle in the race

killadoob said:
Worst top line speed but fastest on the track in a full lap, only hamilton can stop him tomorrow if he gets to the front but then again the redbulls always look good in quali because vettel is just a quali genius but race day they look fairly ordinary.

Should be a cracker though.
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Onboard footage and straight-line speed figures from qualifying suggest that Vettel has almost certainly opted for a shorter gear ratio than his main opposition - which could leave him exposed if he comes under threat from rivals in the DRS zones.

Vettel was slowest of all through the Monza speed trap before the first corner – with his 327.7 km/h figure comparing to Fernando Alonso's 342.2 km/h, Mark Webber's 336.1 km/h, Jenson Button's 333.1 km/h and Lewis Hamilton's 332.7 km/h

The maximum speed that is measured just before the finish line, shows Vettel is already slower than his rivals there – with him recording 316.6 km/h in qualifying, compared to Michael Schumacher's 323.5 km/h, Alonso's 321.3 km/h, Button's 319.4 km/h and Hamilton's 318.4 km/h.

Those figures have delivered encouragement for his rivals, who believe that Vettel will not only face a hard time defending the lead if he does not build up more than a one-second cushion at the DRS zone, but also that he will be unable to make the best use of DRS to overtake his rivals if he is behind.

Ferrari technical chief Pat Fry said: "Vettel is running on the limiter for 400-500 metres. So he has a very short gear, and if you look at the overlays, he is a match to us before he hits the limiter.

"That is the choice you make. When you are not using the DRS you will have a better gear ratio choice, and by the look of it Mark has got a longer gear in the car."

Button said: "I think if you look at the two cars of Mark and Sebastian, I think you see the one who was confident going into qualifying.

"I think Seb expects to lead from the front and not have the issue of trying to overtake anyone. If he is in the DRS zone then he will be on the limiter for the whole straight because he is at 327 km/h the whole straight.

"It is a gamble, especially as we are behind him, and I think he will be quick in the race. But if we can get the jump on him, then I think it will be tough for him."
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Again, Vettel knows he has a chance if he can stay in front - it's the only way for drivers like him.
 
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Well staying in front means you can win unless i missed the memo that staying in front is a bad thing.

Why would it compromise his race? Vettel is clever he is not going to do stupid things and start down the field, this race is generally won from the front so that is where you want to be. Don't blame vettel for understanding that, an intelligent f1 driver will win the world title more often than not and vettel is more than just a driver, he understands if you are in the front it will be easier. Hamilton could do it as well but he always cracks under the pressure in quali so he can never get pole :D.

Vettel may be slow with straight line speed but if he is the fastest man on track it won't make a difference. I hope vettel gets nailed into the first corner. Vettel does not need to win anyway, he just needs to close his title out. There is more to a track than straight line speed. Look at some of those straight line figures and look where they qualified indicating straight line speed is not the only thing you need.

Look at webber he has longer gear ratio's and where is sitting? No wonder webber has not won because he doesn't think that being on pole is better than being down the field.

Button shows hamilton how to make a pass hahaha, wow what a move by button!!!!!!

Anyone who thinks vettel cannot race never saw his alonso over take. Hamilton shown how to pass by button :eek:. Insane, button just wow what an epic move.
 
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I really can't wait to see the comments. :D
Vettel can't overtake: that move he pulled on Alonso without DRS - superb
I'll say it again: Button is a better driver than the hamster
 
Rosaudio said:
1 more lap and it would've been 1) VET 2) BUT 3) HAM

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Hamilton never deserved a podium, it took button less than one lap to nail to shummi, it took shummi moving over for hamilton to take him.

It was his own fault for sleeping at the restart.
 
Its funny that everyone thinks shorter gear ratio was for qualifying pace while Vettel and Red-Bull felt it would be better for the race. Maybe that's why they're doing so well?! And Vettel wow! Held his nerve against and attacking Hamilton at the start didn't back off then his pass on Alonso!!!!!!!! 2 wheels on the grass and still didn't back down. Schumacher spoiling Hamilton's race while Button passes them both with ease. Yet people still rate Hamilton above Button and Vettel :/. Alsono has to thank Schumi for his 3rd place :D
 
Little-Mermaid said:
Its funny that everyone thinks shorter gear ratio was for qualifying pace while Vettel and Red-Bull felt it would be better for the race. Maybe that's why they're doing so well?! And Vettel wow! Held his nerve against and attacking Hamilton at the start didn't back off then his pass on Alonso!!!!!!!! 2 wheels on the grass and still didn't back down. Schumacher spoiling Hamilton's race while Button passes them both with ease. Yet people still rate Hamilton above Button and Vettel :/. Alsono has to thank Schumi for his 3rd place :D
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Yea some people seem to think they know more than arguably the best driver in f1 and the best team :D. You would think hamilton being rated as the greatest ever f1 driver could easily do what button did but button showed hamilton how it's done. I also thought hamilton would stomp on button but it seems hamilton is not the wonder kid people think.

Ya i had a good chuckle when button sliced passed shummi like he was a back marker and hamilton got stuck behind him the whole race :D and the stewards had to get hamilton passed shummi.

As usual vettel being a brilliant thinker as well as a brilliant driver shows the rest how to setup and win in a car :D. Sadly this time he never had the better car today just hamilton is wasting a good car. Button though seriously needs to work out why he cannot qualify better because if button could qualify better he could win many more races but he is always qualifying like 4th or 7th and then finishing well. If he could get pole or second on the grid he could easily win a championship or give vettel a go.

Vettel's pass on alonso was a pass from a true champion and i must say button's pass on shummi was pretty much the same. Button's pass was one of the best i have seen. Wow he braked late. As the commentator said anyone who doubts vettel is just being silly. Alonso actually has hamilton to thank for third place because it was his own fault that he got stuck behind shummi and his rookiness that couldn't get him passed shummi. Button you can see is not a rookie in f1 because he figured out very quickly how to pass shummi. Hamilton could only cry on the radio about shummi moving all over the place.
 
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killadoob said:
Yea some people seem to think they know more than arguably the best driver in f1 and the best team :D. You would think hamilton being rated as the greatest ever f1 driver could easily do what button did but button showed hamilton how it's done. I also thought hamilton would stomp on button but it seems hamilton is not the wonder kid people think.

Ya i had a good chuckle when button sliced passed shummi like he was a back marker and hamilton got stuck behind him the whole race :D and the stewards had to get hamilton passed shummi.

As usual vettel being a brilliant thinker as well as a brilliant driver shows the rest how to setup and win in a car :D. Sadly this time he never had the better car today just hamilton is wasting a good car. Button though seriously needs to work out why he cannot qualify better because if button could qualify better he could win many more races but he is always qualifying like 4th or 7th and then finishing well. If he could get pole or second on the grid he could easily win a championship or give vettel a go.

Vettel's pass on alonso was a pass from a true champion and i must say button's pass on shummi was pretty much the same. Button's pass was one of the best i have seen. Wow he braked late. As the commentator said anyone who doubts vettel is just being silly. Alonso actually has hamilton to thank for third place because it was his own fault that he got stuck behind shummi and his rookiness that couldn't get him passed shummi. Button you can see is not a rookie in f1 because he figured out very quickly how to pass shummi. Hamilton could only cry on the radio about shummi moving all over the place.
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True, Hamilton did cost himself a podium. Was sleeping on the restart which gave MSC the chance to overtake. Would love to see MSC in a better car, especially after today's performance. He keeps getting better :D Second race Vettel passes Alonso, although TBH the Ferrari is a poor car this season, yet Alonso is second in the WDC with a inferrior car to the McLaren's. Sorry but all the Vettel hate is starting to get lol...
 
A nice little video I found on youtube of Seb, Schummi and DC.

Hope it hasn't been posted before

[video=youtube;pwoyvNMvJ70]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwoyvNMvJ70[/video]
 
"It's no big surprise that this man is the winner again," said BBC F1 co-commentator David Coulthard.

"Are we witnessing one of the true legends of the sport? He's proven today he's fighting for victories even when he does not have to take a risk."

David coulthard
 
[video=youtube;PYY7bK1A94s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYY7bK1A94s&NR=1[/video]
 
Alan said:
[video=youtube;PYY7bK1A94s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYY7bK1A94s&NR=1[/video]
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Those days it was required to defend like that. :D You should look up some of Senna's defending. Looked like he'd rather take his chances of crashing out of the race than give up a place to another driver. From what I've seen on youtube at least. Somewhat followed f1 during the Schumi years till last year. Now I'm glued to the screen every other Sunday
 
Little-Mermaid said:
Schumacher spoiling Hamilton's race while Button passes them both with ease. Yet people still rate Hamilton above Button and Vettel :/. Alsono has to thank Schumi for his 3rd place :D
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Button passed both after Schumi forced Hamilton onto grass, Hamilton had to lose momentum and Schumi wasn't in position to defend as he did with Hamilton.
That said, Hamilton was a lot more conservative than usual.

Would like to see a race where all cars are set up the same. Vettel clearly had the better ratios for this track overall, absolutely no way Alonso could stop him overtaking.
 
OzzieCapie said:
Button passed both after Schumi forced Hamilton onto grass, Hamilton had to lose momentum and Schumi wasn't in position to defend as he did with Hamilton.
That said, Hamilton was a lot more conservative than usual.

Would like to see a race where all cars are set up the same. Vettel clearly had the better ratios for this track overall, absolutely no way Alonso could stop him overtaking.
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Wait so vettel put his wheels on the grass and kept his foot flat and that was nothing special? Hamilton did it as well o no wait he pulled out of it.

Shummi defended that corner exactly like he did with hamilton except button braked much later, it was a brave move from button and it was move that was either an overtake or a crash and he made it stick.

I guess if that was hamilton on the grass like vettel was and if it was hamilton over taking like button everyone would be going crazy about how brave hamilton is, button and vettel do it and the excuses come out haha.
 
I must say, that was an enjoyable race to watch, even though I'm a Ferrari man!
Vettel/Red Bull are a fairly unstoppable force this season. I think what really show's Vettel's 'class' is the difference that often comes in between himself and Webber. Yes there cars can be set up differently, but the raw pace of the car is only shown by someone that can exploit it.

Alonso may not be the most liked fella in the paddock, but he certainly has skill. Button seems to race a good race, but for some or other reason always finds himself in precarious positions on track. Hamilton is one guy I've never taken to. I'm not saying he's not a good driver, but when things go his way he's right up there.... when they don't, you certainly know about it....
 
Little-Mermaid said:
Those days it was required to defend like that. :D You should look up some of Senna's defending. Looked like he'd rather take his chances of crashing out of the race than give up a place to another driver. From what I've seen on youtube at least. Somewhat followed f1 during the Schumi years till last year. Now I'm glued to the screen every other Sunday
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Yeah Senna was a madman

But if want the most blatant example of defending....

[video=youtube;p5H0w-pEe90]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5H0w-pEe90[/video]

Then he tried it again in '97

[video=youtube;rPo7wXjgiDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPo7wXjgiDE[/video]
 
Crikey, what a race - and the one race of the year I missed because MWeb were up to...
My 4mb account was crawling so I missed it but read bits and pieces. Let me be the first to say that it sounds like Vettel drove a race worthy of a WC and I'm sorry I missed the Hamilton / Button / MS race, sounds like it was awesome.

My view on overtaking / blocking? I say now that there's Kers and DRS blocking should be allowed.... PROVIDED you don't endanger others. If the guy behind pulls up along side - even just the front wheel - you shouldn't be allowed to squeeze them off the track regardless of race line - that's just dangerous. But for weaving? Should be on - the driver behind has advantage of the new tech IMO.

Who DOESN'T want to watch Hamilton fight Schumi? That's what racing's about. The FIA needs to fix their rules IMO. Hitting another driver in an attempt to block should automatically incur a major penalty or race ban IMO. Make it unattractive.
 
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