F1 2011 thread

SaladCharger said:
Sadly that doesn't say much for Vettel's quality when Alonso needs the team to ask his slow poke team mate to move over.
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No it does because you can see today the slower driver's were holding up the faster ones, hamilton held up webber, massa held up alonso.

No way past when the cars were equal. Given some air webber would have much much faster than hamilton.
 
killadoob said:
No it does because you can see today the slower driver's were holding up the faster ones, hamilton held up webber, massa held up alonso.

No way past when the cars were equal. Given some air webber would have much much faster than hamilton.
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Oh, you were watching another race then cos Hamilton let Webber through more than once. Not sure how you define slow.
No worries, Killa, I'm not expecting us to suddenly agree all of a sudden, though stranger things have happened. I think we both agree that Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Kubica and Button are probably the best drivers in F1 today.

If you ask me, give them all the same car and you'll have a different winner every race.
 
Well it would be nice to see all the drivers in a stock standard car, only difference is their own setup and strategy :D.

Would make f1 amazing but obviously it is not realistic.
 
killadoob said:
Well it would be nice to see all the drivers in a stock standard car, only difference is their own setup and strategy :D.

Would make f1 amazing but obviously it is not realistic.
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Yeah, I suppose we should be thankful for the variety in F1, though by the standards over 40 years ago, todays cars are almost stock standard. Recall some crazy designs in aero and even tractors:

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I had a model of one of those as a kid - my then hero Scheckter drove it :)
Talk about funky lol

My all time fav era:
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Those turbos... some of the fastest racing and best overtaking. Amazing to think that Nelson Piquet's first job in F1 was washing the parts! the 80s had the best music and the best racing hands down.
 
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Why is everyone bitching ? Vettel won, Hamilton got a good second, Webber couldn't pass anyone and Alonso moaned because his team mate wasn't told too let him through. Button well I feel for him but you/he can't pass either when everyone else s tires don't fall to pieces. Anyway good race but yea best man won today and quite frankly Hamilton had a good race to come second as for the rest...
 
SaladCharger said:
Yeah, I suppose we should be thankful for the variety in F1, though by the standards over 40 years ago, todays cars are almost stock standard. Recall some crazy designs in aero and even tractors:

patrick03.jpg


I had a model of one of those as a kid - my then hero Scheckter drove it :)
Talk about funky lol

My all time fav era:
Osamdesete.jpg


Those turbos... some of the fastest racing and best overtaking. Amazing to think that Nelson Piquet's first job in F1 was washing the parts! the 80s had the best music and the best racing hands down.
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My favourite was the Ferrari with the big fan at the back!

Decent race today and Hamilton was a tad slow. Button and Alonso was pretty close to them in the end. Don't know how coming second is a good race while holding cars behind you on a track which saw very little overtaking, even in the midfield. Suppose not crashing out counts as an achievement nowadays...
 
Little-Mermaid said:
My favourite was the Ferrari with the big fan at the back!

Decent race today and Hamilton was a tad slow. Button and Alonso was pretty close to them in the end. Don't know how coming second is a good race while holding cars behind you on a track which saw very little overtaking, even in the midfield. Suppose not crashing out counts as an achievement nowadays...
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Again, how was he holding them back when Webber passed him multiple times?
 
Rosaudio said:
Again, how was he holding them back when Webber passed him multiple times?
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To be retaken on the straights again. So the fact that Button and Alonso caught up to them means that they just drove faster? So both Hamilton and Webber is slower than Button and Alonso? Getting passed by a car and retaking that position immediately has almost nothing to do with your pace over a race. By that Logic Schumi didn't hold up Hamilton in Monza, seeing as Hamilton passed him and Schumi retook that position in the next corner. And Vettel didn't hold up Alonso and Button in Monaco? Just because you keep someone behind or immediately retake that position, doesn't mean your not slower over the race.
 
Ros hamilton was the slower car but there was really only place he could get over taken and sadly for webber he couldn't get off the final corner as well as hamilton. When he did get past hamilton just retook it. Over the race hamilton was slower no doubt but he was faster where it really mattered.

I have to say i really enjoyed the racing between mark and hamilton before webber got stuck behind him, some of the best wheel to wheel action of the year and it was good clean driving by both. Redbull screwed mark though, why did they bring him in with hamilton? They should have brought him in a lap earlier or left him out. At one point webber could have won the race if they pitted him.
 
The faster car always finishes in front, it's a law of nature. You can't say your car is faster if the difference isn't enough to pass the guy in front. Webber's 7th gear wasn't long enough, end of story. That was a setup issue. It just never worked for him. There was actually alot of overtaking in that race, the organisers weren't in the right place at the right time often though.

What that race did hilight was, as Jacques V said, the DRS and KERS are artificial - like a video game... when the cars are similarly setup, it's swings and roundabouts. That said, I did enjoy watching Hamilton fighting under pressure from Webber. Good racing from both of them.
 
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On most tracks webber could have got past but that tight corner didn't suit the redbull.

I remember a few races back when hamilton was behind shummi for 30 odd laps, insane to think the mclaren was slower than the mercedes that day. Button had no issues, he breezed pass michael. I think his setup that day was better and his car was faster than hamilton because hamilton just couldn't get past the faster shummi, must have one of the very few times the mercedes was faster this season.
 
killadoob said:
On most tracks webber could have got past but that tight corner didn't suit the redbull.
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True, hence he was slower.

I remember a few races back when hamilton was behind shummi for 30 odd laps, insane to think the mclaren was slower than the mercedes that day. Button had no issues, he breezed pass michael. I think his setup that day was better and his car was faster than hamilton because hamilton just couldn't get past the faster shummi, must have one of the very few times the mercedes was faster this season.
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Well it wasn't fast enough to get past, thats the bottom line. Fast is more than straight line speed. Making up even a second a lap is not enough to get past someone. Racing is about getting past. I guess for overtaking, you need more than just being faster in clear air, you need to be able to accelerate out of your corners early and brake late, hence the cars with the fastest straight-line speed are not the fastest over the race distance.
 
Yup shummi kicked the hams ass that day :D.

It is the only race that according to your logic shummi has been faster than the ham.
 
killadoob said:
Yup shummi kicked the hams ass that day :D.

It is the only race that according to your logic shummi has been faster than the ham.
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Schumi finished 15 seconds behind Hamilton, I wouldn't call that kicking his ass, unless you mean he was behind and was in a position to kick it from that pov lol.
 
SaladCharger said:
Schumi finished 15 seconds behind Hamilton, I wouldn't call that kicking his ass, unless you mean he was behind and was in a position to kick it from that pov lol.
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Yup from that POV like hamilton kicked webber's butt :D. There was no stopping vettel he has proven he will risk life and death to get passed but he did get stuck behind the ham earlier in the season if i recall.

Shummi will always finish behind hamilton because there are serious issues with that mercedes, race pace is non existent, not sure why, they have a good car but perhaps they got issues with tyres but why then do they struggle in quali? Odd.
 
McLaren were notoriously bad with quali at the beginning of this and last season before they got their aero package sorted, race pace was different in both. Hopefully they and Renault can get next years cars on rails and compete with RedBull. I know Ferrari and McLaren can get it right.
 
SaladCharger said:
McLaren were notoriously bad with quali at the beginning of this and last season before they got their aero package sorted, race pace was different in both. Hopefully they and Renault can get next years cars on rails and compete with RedBull. I know Ferrari and McLaren can get it right.
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I hope they get it right having 3-5 teams that can all win would be awesome.
 
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