F1 2012 thread

Staggy the problem for senna was shummi closed quickly and senna wasn't sure which way to go. Shummi never needed to slipstream a car going 50km's slower LOL. All he needed to do was left or right. I think shummi misjudged his closing speed badly and got caught out. webber as well thought he should slip steam a car going much slower and got caught out.

I doubt senna would have fought for the place had shummi gone early which he should have done. Then shummi went on about senna hitting grosjean when it was actually grosjean who take a massive dive into senna. I think it was grosjean it may have kimi i just recall pieces of a lotus flying around :p
 
Extra obstacles for Lewis:

Aus: McLaren team calling Hamilton in too late after his tires had "fallen off the cliff" costing him massive time (first pit stop).
Safety car screwing him over costing him a place to Vettel cause Hamilton to finish in 3rd.

Mal: First pit stop: Rear jack costing Hamilton massive time.
2nd pit stop: Team taking very long to remove a piece of debris from front left suspension.

Chn: 5 place grid drop due to gear box failure

Bah: 1st pit stop problem costing him massive time
2nd pit stop problem costing him massive time

Spain: 23 place grid penalty due to team fueling error
2nd pit stop problem

Despite all this these extra obstacles Hamilton remains in the hunt.
 
UWS said:
Extra obstacles for Lewis:

Aus: McLaren team calling Hamilton in too late after his tires had "fallen off the cliff" costing him massive time (first pit stop).
Safety car screwing him over costing him a place to Vettel cause Hamilton to finish in 3rd.

Mal: First pit stop: Rear jack costing Hamilton massive time.
2nd pit stop: Team taking very long to remove a piece of debris from front left suspension.

Chn: 5 place grid drop due to gear box failure

Bah: 1st pit stop problem costing him massive time
2nd pit stop problem costing him massive time

Spain: 23 place grid penalty due to team fueling error
2nd pit stop problem

Despite all this these extra obstacles Hamilton remains in the hunt.
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Bad luck, but not bad enough to cost him a win.
The thing that made Shumi, was not the car, he had luck, always had his engineers ahead of everyone else, thats the difference.
 
Haldex said:
Bad luck, but not bad enough to cost him a win.
The thing that made Shumi, was not the car, he had luck, always had his engineers ahead of everyone else, thats the difference.
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Bad luck!? BS! Too much **** happening to Lewis for me to accept it as "bad luck". And how can you say that a it was not enough to cost him a win?> How many championship points do you think all this "bad luck" has cost Lewis?
 
UWS said:
Bad luck!? BS! Too much **** happening to Lewis for me to accept it as "bad luck". And how can you say that a it was not enough to cost him a win?> How many championship points do you think all this "bad luck" has cost Lewis?
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What do you think it is? Done on purpose? Some malicious team/person?
Its cost him a couple points in the championship, still early and with all the newbies popping up on the podium, hardly the end of the season. Everything is still open.
Hamilton was never in a race winning position and lost out by the bad luck.
 
Haldex said:
What do you think it is? Done on purpose? Some malicious team/person?
Its cost him a couple points in the championship, still early and with all the newbies popping up on the podium, hardly the end of the season. Everything is still open.
Hamilton was never in a race winning position and lost out by the bad luck.
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Starting from pole position gives a driver the best chance of winning the race, Besides, F1 is not merely about wins, it more about accumulating the most championship points in order to win the driver's championship. What does a "coupe points" mean? Does that mean 2 points?! LOL
 
Hamilton has not been robbed of a race win as yet, those incidents are just bad luck for him. Hamiltons biggest issue is race pace, great quali car not so great in the race but no doubt mclaren are costing him points but as yet they not cost him a win. We can debate whether he could have won on sunday but i doubt it, the car so light on fuel his lap looked better than it would have been with enough juice to make it back to the pits.
 
killadoob said:
Hamilton has not been robbed of a race win as yet, those incidents are just bad luck for him. Hamiltons biggest issue is race pace, great quali car not so great in the race but no doubt mclaren are costing him points but as yet they not cost him a win. We can debate whether he could have won on sunday but i doubt it, the car so light on fuel his lap looked better than it would have been with enough juice to make it back to the pits.
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He was, if I recall, 1/2 a second quicker than anyone else - that's a fair bit more than having a kilo or 2 less in the car would account for.

Regardless, LH has actually driven a very mature season thus far. Despite having some misfortune befall him he has fought hard and (mostly) cleanly, and he hasn't made a daft mistake himself as yet. His wins will come.

Button must be feeling a bit tender this morning though; for your team mate to start at the back of the grid only to still have him pip you to the flag has to sting.
 
You will be amazed what a few kilo's of fuel will give you. I think they spoke of about half a second for every lap if you were 3-4 kilo's lighter.

besides starting on pole does not mean you will win, ask hamilton he knows that well, ask vettel and he will you tune you blind and tell to stop speaking shyte. the mclaren has shown this season to be a one lap wonder that lacks pace in the race, whether is their setup or tires the car is not as fast in the race as it is in the quali. Redbull are generally true to their quali pace. Ferrari before spain sucked at quali but had much better race pace. I think it boils down to some cars enjoying a light load while others enjoy a full load of fuel.
 
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killadoob said:
You will be amazed what a few kilo's of fuel will give you. I think the spoke of about half a second for every lap if you were 3-4 kilo's lighter.
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He wouldn't have been 3 or 4 kilos lighter, but 1 or 2. You can work on roughly 1/10th of a second per extra kilo of fuel carried per lap. He likely would've been on poll regardless, just by a smaller margin. Or second... who knows. The only certainty is that he very much would not have been 24th.

killadoob said:
besides starting on pole does not mean you will win, ask hamilton he knows that well, ask vettel and he will you tune you blind and tell to stop speaking shyte. the mclaren has shown this season to be a one lap wonder that lacks pace in the race, whether is their setup or tires the car is not as fast in the race as it is in the quali. Redbull are generally true to their quali pace. Ferrari before spain sucked at quali but had much better race pace. I think it boils down to some cars enjoying a light load while others enjoy a full load of fuel.
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...which all has nothing at all to do with anything I said...
 
What makes you think i only talking to you though? there are other people who have been commenting on hamilton having bad luck but ok let's just talk between me and you :D
 
UWS said:
Starting from pole position gives a driver the best chance of winning the race, Besides, F1 is not merely about wins, it more about accumulating the most championship points in order to win the driver's championship. What does a "coupe points" mean? Does that mean 2 points?! LOL
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Only good drivers win from pole :p
 
Hamilton has out qualified Button about 98% of the time yet judging by this forum, one would say Button is a better driver than Hamilton! LOL
 
UWS said:
Hamilton has out qualified Button about 98% of the time yet judging by this forum, one would say Button is a better driver than Hamilton! LOL
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Button is a more refined driver and does a better job looking after his car and tyres. Hamilton is faster outright but is harder on his car and is prone to loose his cool and make mistakes. Both are World Champions and Button finished ahead of him in last years championship. Button has also won a race this year and lost a shot at another due to a faulty wheel nut at the Chinese Grand Prix. Button is no mug.
 
UWS said:
Hamilton has out qualified Button about 98% of the time yet judging by this forum, one would say Button is a better driver than Hamilton! LOL
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Quali means nothing when your name is lewis. When your name is vettel it means a win 90% of the time. Button is on a bit of a poor run but button has been showing the hamilton the way and as mentioned he could have had two victories this season, hamilton hasn't been close to one.

I recall the vettel haters claiming pole would mean wins but where are they now? Hamilton is getting poles and failing to convert them making it look slightly harder than they suspected to win from pole. Button has never qualified well. He isn't a good one lap driver.

I watched a show on dstv tonight called mega factories and they had the williams factory on it. You must see the development going on there, amazing. I could be wrong but i am sure it was regarding the new front wing that pastor had on to win. Pastor said this wing config could get them close to winning and change the season, so it could be prior to the season or sometime during the break before spain but wow you guys must see what it takes to build a wing :eek:. Amazing stuff and williams have now sold their hybrid technology to Porsche racing which means they now have more money to invest in their car and pastor said on the show he expecting wins or close to it. They also seemed damned excited when they left the testing room to develop the wing, almost like they had hit gold. Watch out for williams it may not have been a once off.
 
Well Williams progress was quite clear in the race. It wasn't a one race wonder. He never ran away but never fell back or whatever.
 
eshwar said:
Well Williams progress was quite clear in the race. It wasn't a one race wonder. He never ran away but never fell back or whatever.
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I wonder though was senna running the same wing because he didn't seem able to produce the same pace but then again massa cannot keep with alonso so we may just being seeing a huge difference in talent. He may be called senna but it doesn't he inherited his uncle's talent.
 
thestaggy said:
Button is a more refined driver and does a better job looking after his car and tyres.
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Not so sure anymore - did you see that last race? Hamilton started from the back and used a whole set of tyres less than Button... and still finished ahead of him. I don't think people appreciate what Hamilton did for his position in Spain.
 
MyDogHasNoNose said:
Not so sure anymore - did you see that last race? Hamilton started from the back and used a whole set of tyres less than Button... and still finished ahead of him. I don't think people appreciate what Hamilton did for his position in Spain.
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Hamilton did have a good race but one race does not suddenly change the dynamic of either driver. It was most uncharacteristic to see Button locking his wheels as much as he was - Coulthard even commented on that - while seeing Hamilton locking up is a very common sight - once again elaborated on by Coulthard. But as Michael said, these tyres are very difficult to work with and you arrive at every race not quite sure how the tyres will behave.

Button is very much like Damon Hill and Alain Prost. Very smooth, very controlled, very easy on the car. Hamilton is the more aggressive racer.
 
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