F1 2012 thread

Rosaudio said:
Oh well..
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Hey, I'm still hopeful - if they've gone for a setup slightly biased to a dry race, and the weathermen are actually right for once, we'll be in for a cracker. At least it's a track where there'll be some overtaking.

But yes... I bow to your predictive skillz.
 
HapticSimian said:
Hey, I'm still hopeful - if they've gone for a setup slightly biased to a dry race, and the weathermen are actually right for once, we'll be in for a cracker. At least it's a track where there'll be some overtaking.

But yes... I bow to your predictive skillz.
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Hey, i'm hopeful too :D but we're hopeless in the wet.

The Maccas seem to be performing extremely well in cool dry conditions which is what tomorrow will apparently be like, so I can see us moving up onto the podium tomorrow.
 
I'm also hopeful but I suspect Alonso will be strong in the dry too. So far it looks like Alonso is the one to beat - he is ready for his third IMO.
 
Good race. Alonso is in a league of his own this year. Hasn't made a mistake, really looking good with a car capable of winning regularly. Glad Vettel got second in the end. McLaren has found pace out of nowhere :O Still a long season though, seems most of the teams have the tires under control.

Any idea why Hamilton retired?
 
Little-Mermaid said:
Good race. Alonso is in a league of his own this year. Hasn't made a mistake, really looking good with a car capable of winning regularly. Glad Vettel got second in the end. McLaren has found pace out of nowhere :O Still a long season though, seems most of the teams have the tires under control.
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What impressed me is that Alonso pulled away from Vettel even when Vettel was using KERS...


Little-Mermaid said:
Any idea why Hamilton retired?
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I heard him say "I have a problem. I have a problem" and the commentators said it was a puncture. He then retired and I missed the exact reasoning...
 
It was an okay race. Not impressed by the start with Lewis and Massa..

Also not surprised by Vettel's cheating and blatant lies after the race. Germans ey...
 
Little-Mermaid said:
Good race. Alonso is in a league of his own this year. Hasn't made a mistake, really looking good with a car capable of winning regularly. Glad Vettel got second in the end. McLaren has found pace out of nowhere :O Still a long season though, seems most of the teams have the tires under control.

Any idea why Hamilton retired?
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I'm not convinced he has the best car, it's difficult to say IMO, but he's certainly making the most of what he has!
 
Rosaudio said:
It was an okay race. Not impressed by the start with Lewis and Massa..

Also not surprised by Vettel's cheating and blatant lies after the race. Germans ey...
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FIA will be under pressure if they have to penalise him... his home crowd won't be forgiving lol.
 
Can someone fill me in, because I was swapping between cricket and F1 streams. How did Vettel cheat, exactly...?
 
DJ... said:
Can someone fill me in, because I was swapping between cricket and F1 streams. How did Vettel cheat, exactly...?
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He overtook Button close to the end of the race for 2nd place and his whole car (all four wheels) left the track. Dunno if I would call it cheating but he should definitely give the position back.
 
@MyDog Well I didn't say Ferrari has the best car, just one capable of winning. Just like Red-Bull and McLaren. :P

@Ros - Need to lurk less on the British F1 forums. Vettel was along side Button, Vettel then took the safer option, look at the overtake again and you'd see in the end Button used the entire road and left Vettel no room, while Vettel was a significant portion next to Button. Compare that to Bahrain where your beloved Hamilton over took Rossberg off track while not even being next to him when Rossberg started his move to the right. Just butt hurt McLaren fans
 
Relating to Red Bull, not Vettel:

German Grand Prix race stewards have decided to take no further action against Red Bull over torque map irregularities.

The stewards stated that, while they did not accept all of Red Bull's arguments, there was no infringement of Article 5.5.3 of the technical regulations.

This means that Sebastian Vettel will be allowed to line up second on the grid for the race, with team-mate Mark Wark Webber eighth after a gearbox change.

The statement from the stewards read as follows: "The stewards received a report from the FIA technical delegate, along with specific ECU data from Red Bull Racing cars #1 and #2. The Stewards met with the team representatives and the representative of the engine supplier Renault.

"While the stewards do not accept all the arguments of the team, they however conclude that as the regulation is written, the map presented does not breach the text of Art 5.5.3 of the Formula 1 Technical Regulations and therefore decided to take no action."

The equivocal wording of the stewards' statement suggests that Red Bull might be not entirely within the spirit of the regulations. If the FIA is unhappy with what Red Bull is doing with its engine mapping, it is possible that there could be a rules clarification at a later date closing any potential loophole.
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Vettel's issue was that he overtook Button off track. Very close but interesting to see if it was legal for him to use that piece of track or not... He would likely have done it before the next lap regardless, but still... let's see what the rules say. I reckon he should have backed off and tried again later.

[video=youtube;awehPqX3iP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awehPqX3iP0[/video]
 
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DJ... said:
Can someone fill me in, because I was swapping between cricket and F1 streams. How did Vettel cheat, exactly...?
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Him and JB were dicing into the hairpin. Vettel came past on the run down, but JB cut tight on the inside and they were side-to-side on the exit. Vettel then ran clean off the track on the outside which saw him gain enough momentum to slot in front of JB. His excuse afterwards, when JB told him 'they are going to investigate your overtake, you know', was that he didn't know where JB was and went wide in order to avoid an accident.

He had all four wheels off the track, but it'll be up to the stewards to decide whether he gained an advantage or not.

Anyway, I think the race still bodes well for the second half of the season...
 
Seems a clear-cut case to me. You can't go off-track to gain an advantage. He either gives the place back or drops down one as far as I recall the rules...
 
Little-Mermaid said:
@MyDog Well I didn't say Ferrari has the best car, just one capable of winning. Just like Red-Bull and McLaren. :P

@Ros - Need to lurk less on the British F1 forums. Vettel was along side Button, Vettel then took the safer option, look at the overtake again and you'd see in the end Button used the entire road and left Vettel no room, while Vettel was a significant portion next to Button. Compare that to Bahrain where your beloved Hamilton over took Rossberg off track while not even being next to him when Rossberg started his move to the right. Just butt hurt McLaren fans
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Right, I didn't argue that point ;)
 
DJ... said:
Seems a clear-cut case to me. You can't go off-track to gain an advantage. He either gives the place back or drops down one as far as I recall the rules...
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I agree, he can't say he didn't know where Button was - that's just too easy.
 
MyDogHasNoNose said:
Relating to Red Bull, not Vettel:



Vettel's issue was that he overtook Button off track. Very close but interesting to see if it was legal for him to use that piece of track or not... He would likely have done it before the next lap regardless, but still... let's see what the rules say. I reckon he should have backed off and tried again later.

[video=youtube;awehPqX3iP0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awehPqX3iP0[/video]
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Top comment sums it up nicely :D

Cheater driver in a cheater car in a cheater team
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