F1 2012 thread

I do hold him responsible but that's a harsh penalty.
I guess that's what happens when you p off the big shot bosses, bookies, and big teams and Lewis.

I think one can also blame Lewis for being stubborn hahaha. But won't discuss it on this thread lol.
 
Actually, I think there's an argument for blaming Poopiehead Maldonado for the whole 1st corner fracas... His jumped start created the gap that gave Grosjean more momentum than those around him... :D
 
HapticSimian said:
Actually, I think there's an argument for blaming Poopiehead Maldonado for the whole 1st corner fracas... His jumped start created the gap that gave Grosjean more momentum than those around him... :D
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There's more of a case to be made against the fact that he distracted everybody around him.
 
killadoob said:
Absolute horse shyte, i am sorry but a race ban is extreme.
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Yep - FIA politics... they have three angry teams to deal with - harsher penalty. It's crazy considering Grosjean is pretty much clean most of the time.
 
It was a decent race. Crazy start. Felt sorry for Kobayashi. As much as I hate saying it, Vettel had an excellent race. Button was majestic up front but Vettel had to do some serious donkey work to get into second. The one race ban for Grosjean was a bit harsh considering what Maldonado has been up to this year. Now for the next race...
 
vinodh said:
It was a decent race. Crazy start. Felt sorry for Kobayashi. As much as I hate saying it, Vettel had an excellent race. Button was majestic up front but Vettel had to do some serious donkey work to get into second. The one race ban for Grosjean was a bit harsh considering what Maldonado has been up to this year. Now for the next race...
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remember the trouble hamilton was causing, no race ban for him.

10 grid drop would have sufficed.
 
Rosaudio said:
Example?
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Do you recall the season when he had about 7 accidents mostly caused by him. Maldonado is in the same boat and not banned for a race.

This is politics and not playing by the rules. He made a mistake, banning him for a race is harsh.

BS in my opinion. Hamilton could have backed off to avoid it.
 
killadoob said:
Do you recall the season when he had about 7 accidents mostly caused by him. Maldonado is in the same boat and not banned for a race.

This is politics and not playing by the rules. He made a mistake, banning him for a race is harsh.

BS in my opinion. Hamilton could have backed off to avoid it.
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Yes? And he received the appropriate penalties in each case.. just like Pastor this year.

Grosjean put lives at risk today for his stupid move of pulling over all the way to the other side of the grid.. for what? What advantage did it give him to push Lewis to the edge of the track?

As usual only you would try to twist it to make it look like the fault of Lewis. It's a race, you're not going to back off in a race down to the first corner. All drivers have a level of trust in each other as professional drivers not to make stupid moves like that. That's what makes them the best.. the best wont lift off at any sign of risk. Lewis trusted Grosjean and Grosjean didnt live up to it. He couldnt go onto the grass either as you saw what happened to Liuzzi last year at Monza when he did that..

Let me show you this as well.. a near exact copy of the incident today.. yet back in 1994.

[video=youtube;cxFTg38Si4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxFTg38Si4k[/video]

The punishment for Irvine? A one race ban.
 
I would have given him a 2 race ban. Not only did he take out 3/4 drivers - he nearly caused the death/serious injury of those drivers. He was F..g lucky no one got hurt/killed :mad: He may be a likeable guy, but that cannot substitute for he's utter stupidity and recklesness.

Just Imagine, it went slightly differently and (instead of flying harmlessly over Alonzo's car) he's wheel knocked Alonzo's head, causing serious trauma and then death...:sick: what would everyone be saying then.

On a lighter note...I loved how Vettel celebrated, spraying all the girls with champagne...He looks like he can get really naughty at times :D
 
killadoob said:
Absolute horse shyte, i am sorry but a race ban is extreme.
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+100

I'd have hate to have seen these rules in effect in the 90s. Judging by the fact that nearly every race had action at the start, over half the field would be suspended at least once a season.
 
Kompete said:
I would have given him a 2 race ban. Not only did he take out 3/4 drivers - he nearly caused the death/serious injury of those drivers. He was F..g lucky no one got hurt/killed :mad: He may be a likeable guy, but that cannot substitute for he's utter stupidity and recklesness.

Just Imagine, it went slightly differently and (instead of flying harmlessly over Alonzo's car) he's wheel knocked Alonzo's head, causing serious trauma and then death...:sick: what would everyone be saying then.

On a lighter note...I loved how Vettel celebrated, spraying all the girls with champagne...He looks like he can get really naughty at times :D
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We'd be saying what a terrible accident, because that is what it was. Do you honestly think Grosjean sat there saying to himself "Yeah, I'm going to try and kill Alonso today". It's racing. Risks are taken and accidents happen. If you don't like that stop racing and stop watching. You have 24 cars steaming into a corner, full of fuel and on cold tyres. Mistakes will happen.

I honestly cannot believe all the theatrics over that accident. Back in the 90s it was a rarity to see clean starts.

Alexander Wurz tumbling down the road in Canada '98, no fuss;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-j2I6JJkVw

Pedro Diniz's flip in Nurburgring '99. Some fuss as he was effectively buried, but all is well;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7YH_tlrkU

Luciano Burti using Michael as a launchpad;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcg7TDMnMk

I'm not saying be complacent but for goodness sake, it is racing. At high speeds. Danger is a given and accidents will happen.
 
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Kompete said:
I would have given him a 2 race ban. Not only did he take out 3/4 drivers - he nearly caused the death/serious injury of those drivers. He was F..g lucky no one got hurt/killed :mad: He may be a likeable guy, but that cannot substitute for he's utter stupidity and recklesness.

Just Imagine, it went slightly differently and (instead of flying harmlessly over Alonzo's car) he's wheel knocked Alonzo's head, causing serious trauma and then death...:sick: what would everyone be saying then.

On a lighter note...I loved how Vettel celebrated, spraying all the girls with champagne...He looks like he can get really naughty at times :D
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Lol he always does that, the funniest was at one of the Monaco GPs, he sprayed one of the royal guards:D

On a side note, do you another driver would have moved over to the grass if Grosjean was coming too close?
 
I think the stewards have an issue with the fact that an avoidable accident ended up nearly killing someone.
 
Rosaudio said:
I think the stewards have an issue with the fact that an avoidable accident ended up nearly killing someone.
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As they should have... :erm: A strong reaction will ensure that everyone on the grid will be that wee bit more careful for a few races...
 
thestaggy said:
We'd be saying what a terrible accident, because that is what it was. Do you honestly think Grosjean sat there saying to himself "Yeah, I'm going to try and kill Alonso today". It's racing. Risks are taken and accidents happen. If you don't like that stop racing and stop watching. You have 24 cars steaming into a corner, full of fuel and on cold tyres. Mistakes will happen.

I honestly cannot believe all the theatrics over that accident. Back in the 90s it was a rarity to see clean starts.

Alexander Wurz tumbling down the road in Canada '98, no fuss;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-j2I6JJkVw

Pedro Diniz's flip in Nurburgring '99. Some fuss as he was effectively buried, but all is well;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN7YH_tlrkU

Luciano Burti using Michael as a launchpad;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKcg7TDMnMk

I'm not saying be complacent but for goodness sake, it is racing. At high speeds. Danger is a given and accidents will happen.
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Bunch of blood drama queens in my opinion, omg someone went over the top of alonso. He could have died!!!!

It's f1 not a sunday drive. People can die and yes grosjean made a mistake that caused a bad accident but the punishment is retarded.

Grosjean is not the first and won't be the last to get involved in something like this and now the precedent is set, cause an avoidable accident, one race ban or does it matter who was involved?

One other thing, WTf happen to pastor. I don't recall seeing the replay of his accident.

I never blamed hamilton but avoidable means you see a car coming and react, slow down, get onto the grass. Hamilton could have done something to avoid it, it isn't like holding his ground really worked. So was the grass or brake pedal going to be worse i wonder?
 
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