F1 2014 thread

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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorsport/lewis-hamilton-says-nico-rosberg-admitted-the-crash-at-belgian-grand-prix-was-deliberate-20140825-107ypp.html

I watched the replay of this incident and I reckon Hamilton is more at fault than Rosberg. The way Hamilton cut back gave Rosberg very little chance to slow down to avoid the accident. Even watching the front tyres on Hamiltons car you will see the deliberate move back to cut off Rosberg.

Amazing in the race Bottas overtook Vettel at the same corner without incident in the same fashion( pity I can't find the reply of that move ). Vettel made the required space to avoid an incident. I pretty sure the FIA has ruling about leaving space for the overtaking car, ie: don't try to run the guy of the track.

Still a racing incident, but I don't see how Hamilton can blame Rosberg.
 

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100% correct!!

If my teammate took me out on the 2nd lap of a race I would also be bitching about it!! Who wouldn't?!?!

Rosberg's a t wat with a massive sense of entitlement (his whining that Hamilton wasn't letting him pass in the Hungarian GP) and a penchant to making "driver errors" at the most inopportune time for his teammate (Monte Carlo qualifying and 2nd lap manoeuvre in the Belgian GP)....

Hamilton's a t wat with a massive sense of entitlement (his whining that Rosberg wasn't letting him pass in the xx GP) and a penchant to making "driver errors" at the most inopportune time for his teammate (yy qualifying and xth lap manoeuvre in the cc GP)...

Sorry Boet, it's been going on throughout this season. At the start of the season, I thought Hamilton's move was a good one. Now he's whinging more than he did at macca...
 

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Hamilton's a t wat with a massive sense of entitlement (his whining that Rosberg wasn't letting him pass in the xx GP) and a penchant to making "driver errors" at the most inopportune time for his teammate (yy qualifying and xth lap manoeuvre in the cc GP)...

Sorry Boet, it's been going on throughout this season. At the start of the season, I thought Hamilton's move was a good one. Now he's whinging more than he did at macca...

That sounds like you are describing Senna, Prost, Alonso, Vettel, Button, Villeneuve, Hill and Mr Whinger himself, Nigel Mansell. :)
 

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That sounds like you are describing Senna, Prost, Alonso, Vettel, Button, Villeneuve, Hill and Mr Whinger himself, Nigel Mansell. :)

Naaaah not really, there is a way to make a statement describing your unhappiness and then there is whining.

Mansell could whine, yes, and so does Hamilton.
 

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McLaren considering Vandoorne options

Eric Boullier admits McLaren junior Stoffel Vandoorne's recent form suggests he may be ready for a step up to Formula One in 2015, though he is not ruling out another season in GP2 for the Belgian.

After winning his GP2 debut race in Bahrain, Vandoorne's form tailed off slightly before a handful of podiums and a second victory in Hungary, while he was also involved in a thrilling battle for victory with Raffaele Marciello at Spa-Francorchamps last weekend. Boullier has confessed McLaren is formulating a three-to-five year driver plan and he thinks Vandoorne would be ready should the opportunity - whether at McLaren or a team further down the grid - arise.

"It is a little bit too early to take a decision," said Boullier during a McLaren phone-in with journalists. "I think if you have to go to F1, first he needs to feel ready, and I am happy that he feels ready. He also needs the opportunity to step into F1 but not in any condition."

Though he has been impressed with Vandoorne's recent form, Boullier admits the Belgian could benefit from another season in GP2.

"We are now assessing all scenarios. I think GP2 is one of them, as he still has to learn more about GP2, get more wins and obviously fight for the championship. He is doing a good job for the first year. You can see really clear progress over the last few races. He is very dedicated and I am happy to see he is getting there - but it is too early to have plans, so everything is open."

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Yupp, out with the old and in with the new.
 

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Vettel samples Russia's new F1® track in Sochi

Sebastian Vettel has become the first Formula One driver to lap the newly completed Sochi Autodrom, the circuit which will host Russia’s inaugural Grand Prix in October.

The Red Bull Racing driver travelled straight to Sochi from Spa-Francorchamps after finishing fifth in Sunday’s 2014 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand Prix.

After a tour of the venue’s facilities, the four-time world champion completed a number of high speed laps of the full 5.8 km Hermann Tilke-designed circuit in an Infiniti road car.

Commenting on the experience, Vettel said: “It is great to be back in Sochi and the venue has been transformed since I was last here [April 2013] when it was really just a construction site.

"Having driven the full circuit for the first time in the Infiniti Q50 today, it’s an interesting layout with a good mix of high speed corners and technical sections.

“It’s going to be a huge challenge in a Formula One car for sure and I’m really looking forward to coming back in October.”

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Minardi predicts Vettel to McLaren

Veteran race team owner Gian Carlo Minardi believes Honda's return to F1 next season will yet trigger a number of important driver moves.

Over the course of the Spa weekend the Italian was highly vocal, speaking out on the recruitment of Max Verstappen and the future, or lack of it, of Jenson Button.

Suggesting that Honda will want to make an immediate impact on its return with a "super-top driver to place alongside Magnussen", Minardi said that Button should not be part of the plan.

Pointing out that Nico Rosberg has recently signed a contract extension with Mercedes, Minardi initially said he would not be surprised to see either Sebastian Vettel or Fernando Alonso linked with the Woking team.

Turning his attention to the signing of Max Verstappen, whose father Jos raced for Minardi in 2003, the Italian said he wasn't entirely convinced "the games are over".

"This operation surprised me, as it might cause problems for Carlos Sainz Jr, who is part of the Red Bull family for several years," said Minardi.

"For this reason, I see a different scene, with an extremely young Toro Rosso formed by Verstappen and Sainz Jr, and Daniil Kvyat (going) to Red Bull, in place of Sebastian Vettel," he said

Speaking ahead of Sunday's controversial race, he built on his Vettel to McLaren theory. "Do not forget that we have Honda determined to aim for a super-top driver and, to this day, we certainly have the first three guides unhappy with their situation: Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel. In addition, Red Bull Racing is a brand tuned to a young audience and the arrival of the new face of Kvyat alongside Ricciardo could be a very interesting marketing move.

"For some time, I contend that the time has come for the four-time World Champion to abdicate and accept new challenges," he added. "We are close to several changes, in a domino-style. We expect the first move and then all the others will arrive as a result."

Today, in the wake of yesterday's controversy, Minardi expanded on his theories.

"The recent statements of loyalty by Fernando Alonso at Ferrari have effectively removed one of the 'unhappy'," he said. "Therefore, Vettel and Hamilton remain in play.

"From Japan, a very strong manoeuvre is suggested to me," he continued, "it has been played in the last days by Honda, in order to win the pair Newey/Vettel.

"At Spa-Francorchamps, Bernie Ecclestone approached Vettel," he claimed, going on to suggest that "as has happened on other occasions", Mr E might have intervened in the driver market in an attempt to spice up the show.

Suggesting that Ecclestone may have attempted to convince Vettel to make a move, albeit without Newey, Minardi is convinced Ecclestone wants to see the four-time world champion in the Honda-powered McLaren next year.

"The mosaic begins to take shape," says Minardi. "By signing the young Max, Red Bull has accomplished an important marketing action, as well as acquiring a new potential talent.

"Moreover," he insists, "it might also realize the task that practically everyone took for granted: Carlos Sainz Jr. in F1, at Toro Rosso."

Again he claims: "At this point, it comes easy to think about a promotion for the young Russian Kvyat alongside Ricciardo, in case the transition of Sebastian Vettel to Honda will materialize.

"Hamilton's enigma remains," he adds. "Unhappy more than ever after the 'close contact' with Rosberg, he has been defended for the first time firmly by Toto Wolff and Niki Lauda.

"Is a new scenario emerging, changing the future strategies of Mercedes?" he wonders. "Does a new pretender loom on the horizon... Valtteri Bottas? A young man who showed his value on track and, who we should not forget has a remarkable manager... Toto Wolff!"

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Hmmm, some interesting speculation here.
 

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Minardi predicts Vettel to McLaren



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Hmmm, some interesting speculation here.

Alonso needs to seriously consider his future. He still has it but is wasting away at Ferrari.

Imagine him in this years Williams instead of Massa? I firmly believe he'd have a win or two.
 

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Alonso needs to seriously consider his future. He still has it but is wasting away at Ferrari.

Imagine him in this years Williams instead of Massa? I firmly believe he'd have a win or two.

This, yes def he would.

I was asking myself the same Q - Alonso is a brilliant driver but not too huge on loyalty. I wonder how long he'll stay with Ferrari if things continue as they are.
 

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Ecclestone says he is coming after his critics

If anyone is in doubt as to whether Bernie Ecclestone is firing on all cylinders after spending three months in court then they should think again. Not only is the Formula One boss back at work full-time but he has fired off a warning shot to his critics according to an article in the Independent by Christian Sylt.
Earlier this month Ecclestone paid a staggering £60m to prosecutors in Germany to put the brakes on charges that he paid a bribe to steer the sale of F1 to his preferred buyer, the private equity firm CVC. The trial was being held for two days every week to allow Ecclestone to continue running F1 at the same time and his lawyer Sven Thomas said that it had become "extremely burdensome."
"Now I am in a position where I have got a little bit more time and I shall follow my old idea in life, 'don't get mad, get even'. I haven't got mad but I'm going to get even," says Ecclestone.
He says that high on his (hit) list is Dieter Hahn, a German businessman who is on the board of media rights company Constantin Medien. Last year it sued Ecclestone in London for allegedly undervaluing F1 by engineering the sale to CVC rather than a higher bidder. In February Constantin lost its case but it is appealing the decision.
By settling the trial in Germany Ecclestone preserved his innocence and the judge Peter Noll said that "the charges could not, in important areas, be substantiated." In a statement, the court added that "prosecution of the accused due to bribery is not probable as things stand." It claimed that after hearing the evidence so far, "the court did not consider a conviction overwhelmingly likely from the present point of view."
The comments came after the £60m had been paid to prosecutors and Ecclestone said afterwards that he was "a bit of an idiot" to settle. However, on reflection, he says that "the prosecutors didn't know the judge was going to come up with that. They don't talk to each other at all."
Noll said that the enormous settlement sum had nothing to do with the events in the case but instead stands in relation to the wealth of the accused. "Let me tell you something, the system is quite good as it happens because if somebody is in trouble and is earning $5,000 a year it is a bit different to somebody who is earning more. I think it is a good idea," says Ecclestone.
He adds "they didn't make me pay 100 million. I agreed to pay. I didn't have to pay. I decided to pay it." The prosecutors approached Ecclestone about settling after the trial had been underway for three months and he says it couldn't have taken place sooner.

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eish....beware
 

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This, yes def he would.

I was asking myself the same Q - Alonso is a brilliant driver but not too huge on loyalty. I wonder how long he'll stay with Ferrari if things continue as they are.

From what I've seen with F1 drivers, loyalty is spoken about only when they have a competitive car. If the car is a dog, they jump ship quite quickly.

I would have loved it if Alonso was in a Red Bull or Williams this year. Him in a Mercedes would have either cause similar team mate issues to what Mercedes is experiencing now or he would just run away with the championship and destroy his team mate.

Vettel moving to McLaren sounds similar to Hamilton moving Mercedes: If it's true, then it's his way of proving his critics wrong and showing that he can win a championship without Red Bull.
 

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From what I've seen with F1 drivers, loyalty is spoken about only when they have a competitive car. If the car is a dog, they jump ship quite quickly.

I would have loved it if Alonso was in a Red Bull or Williams this year. Him in a Mercedes would have either cause similar team mate issues to what Mercedes is experiencing now or he would just run away with the championship and destroy his team mate.

Vettel moving to McLaren sounds similar to Hamilton moving Mercedes: If it's true, then it's his way of proving his critics wrong and showing that he can win a championship without Red Bull.

Agree, why would anyone stick with a company that's not producing the goods anyhow? Salary? Someone needs to ask Button. He has had the worst.

Some might argue that Michael was loyal. I would argue that he raced for the same company all along - BBT - Ross, Rory, Jean. He wasn't as loyal to the company as he was to the individuals who helped him become a success.
 

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He has run F1 like a mafia don.

No arguments there. Always hard to judge without hindsight, but I wonder how much of a better job anyone/any other group would have done and where the sport would be without his interference / input.

For those who haven't seen it:

[video=youtube;dzIZ8o2hI2w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzIZ8o2hI2w[/video]
 

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115602

McLaren thinks a major update programme that kicks off at the Singapore Grand Prix could lift it on terms with Red Bull by the end of the 2014 Formula 1 season.

The Woking-based outfit has scheduled a big development step for its car for the start of the flyaway races, and racing director Eric Boullier is optimistic that further improvements pencilled in for the final races will help McLaren finish the season strongly.

And having edged ahead of Force India for fifth in the constructors' championship at the Belgian Grand Prix, he says sights are now set on fighting wheel-to-wheel with Ferrari, Williams and perhaps even Red Bull.

Speaking during a McLaren phone-in on Tuesday, Boullier said: "It is true that getting in front of Force India was a short-term target, but it is not the final ambition.

"I do feel comfortable and confident about a stronger end of season than beginning.

"Our car is working decently on low downforce tracks like Spa and [hopefully] Monza, but from Singapore we will have another big upgrade on the car which I hope will deliver all that is promised.

"We should have another couple of updates before the end of the season which should clear us definitely from Force India, but also fighting in the middle of Ferrari and Williams, and Red Bull maybe.

"I have no idea if we get another podium before the end of the season but if we do our job properly then maybe."

Although McLaren hopes to be fighting with the trio of teams ahead in the standings, points lost earlier in the campaign make it unlikely it will make much more progress in the constructors' championship.

It is currently fifth overall but 45 points behind Williams and a further 10 adrift of Ferrari while Red Bull is 149 points clear of McLaren in second place.
 

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Mclaren bidding for Vettel, Alonso

McLaren is making a final push to convince Sebastian Vettel or Fernando Alonso to lead the team in its new Honda era, AUTOSPORT has learned.

Team chiefs Eric Boullier and Ron Dennis are focusing their efforts on securing the two highly-rated F1's top stars as soon as they can.

Although both drivers are under contract for the immediate future - with Vettel committed at Red Bull until the end of 2015 and Alonso a year longer at Ferrari - that has not proved a turn-off for McLaren.

Button's F1 future remains uncertain

In fact, the team is eager to get a firm commitment on both drivers' plans over the next few years, and has told them it is ready to wait until 2016 or 2017 for them if it must.

Getting such a commitment now would then allow it to finalise driver plans in the shorter term, or even open the door on a deal being reached to land its big star earlier.

This is why McLaren is refusing to sort out its 2015 line-up until it knows exactly what Vettel and Alonso are doing longer term, which means current drivers Kevin Magnussen and Jenson Button are being left in limbo.

Speaking exclusively to AUTOSPORT, racing director Boullier made it clear that McLaren was doing all it could to win over Vettel and Alonso, and would refuse to give up its chase until both drivers had categorically said no.

When asked about the chances of getting one of the big star names, Boullier said: "I will try any driver that will suit our strategy for the future.

"We are still pushing and we will take the time we need. We don't want to do a mistake - we have one shot and we don't want to miss it.

"McLaren is a top team, a big team, with a lot of history and we want to be back where we should be.

"So if we can afford to take the time to think and to prepare our strategy then we have to do it."

It is understood that McLaren has been told it will get an answer from Vettel and Alonso very soon, and it wants to sort out its 2015 driver plans before the final flyaway races that begin with the Singapore Grand Prix next month.

Boullier refused to elaborate on the exact timing of a decision, but made clear it would not wait until the winter before knowing its 2015 line-up.

"It will be soon, a few weeks," he said.
 
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