F1 2014 thread

Tilke has said it is not him, it is the demands placed on him that result in the tracks he designs. 50 metre wide tracks, 2 kilometres of tarred runoff and as neutered as possible, that is what is demanded of him. Then they moan when Vettel and Alonso exceed the track limit. Why then have endless miles of tarred runoff? Bring back the gravel pits and punish drivers for their errors. Get brave with the curves and corners. Challenge the drivers.

When Tilke was asked about the off-camber corner at Abu Dhabi (after the hotel), he responded that he would love to add more corners like that to future tracks but is not allowed to. Basically, challenging/tricky corners are outlawed.


Formula E championship coming closer.

First race 13 Sept in Beijing.

So looking forward.

Me too. I watched video of Trulli testing a Formula-E car and was quite impressed. However, I can already hear some people moaning about the sound of the "engines".
 
Me too. I watched video of Trulli testing a Formula-E car and was quite impressed. However, I can already hear some people moaning about the sound of the "engines".

I moan about the F1 sound, yes, there they have fukked it up, but in Formula E you kinds expect that.
 
I for one actually think the Formula E cars sound good. Yes, it doesn't come close to a screaming V8 or V10, but it does sound incredible for electricity.
 
I moan about the F1 sound, yes, there they have fukked it up, but in Formula E you kinds expect that.

I agree 100%. F1 is not the same without the screaming V8's but Formula E is still cool. Hopefully they have proper close racing and don't turn into a parade.
 
I agree 100%. F1 is not the same without the screaming V8's but Formula E is still cool. Hopefully they have proper close racing and don't turn into a parade.

I think they will have learnt a thing or two from A1 GP. Don't fukk around, keep big names, draw the crowds.

I tried to do some comparative research. In 1993 Grand Prix in Donnington Park, Senna was doing 1.18's for F1 cars, now in testing Buemi was doing a 1.31's with Formula E car.

I am sure with development they will reduce that gap by half.
 
Disagree.

Overtaking is done mainly on the straights, which Sochi has. There are also fast corners, this also allows.

Personally I'm bored with the Tilke design, not ditching the man, but we need fresh ideas.

LOL. I hope that was a joke. Fast corners PREVENT overtaking, not induce it. And there's only 1 really fast corner, the rest are just straights basically.

And the straights are way too short, and too many 90 degree corners, which aren't too helpful for overtaking either.

Also said before, but worth repeating clearly: Tilke is not the one to blame, the FIA is. He gets design restrictions and parameters from them, and these are becoming increasingly limited.
 
Sparks in 2015 not just for show - FIA

New regulations that should result in sparks flying from the underside of cars next season are being introduced for safety and technical reasons as well as improving the show, according to the FIA.

Next year cars will be fitted with titanium skid blocks within the plank under the car, which should see more sparks flying from the rear as it bottoms out. Tests were held during first practice in Austria with titanium skid blocks in place, but the FIA insists the new rule for 2015 is not just about producing sparks.

"To explain: the plank is the long bit of wood, the skids are bits of metal within the plank," FIA technical boss Charlie Whiting said. "The skids have formerly been made of a heavy metal, which has been very resistant to wear, and they put the skids around the points in the plank where thickness is measured. Planks have to start off at nominally 10mm thick and they can't be less than 9mm thick. However, we only measure them around certain holes in the plank. So they position the skids around those holes.

"This metal is extremely heavy and when pieces detach they can be extremely harmful. We saw two punctures in Spa previously because of bits of this metal that lay in a kerb and caused damage. In a worst case scenario they could fly off and hit someone.

"The purpose of making them out of titanium is threefold: Firstly, it's safer, because if they do come off they are about a third of the weight of the existing ones. Secondly, the titanium wears some 2-2.5 times more quickly than the metal currently used. Thus cars will have to be run a little bit higher to manage wear and teams won't be able to drag them on the ground quite as much as they have in the past. The third effect is that you will see a lot more sparks, which some people think will look a little more spectacular."

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Burti and MS, 2001, Hockenheim..........quite a spectacle

[video=youtube;5SO53ivP1fs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SO53ivP1fs&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
 
"Zero chance" of FRIC agreement says Szafnauer

Force India COO Otmar Szafnauer has dismissed the idea of all eleven teams agreeing to stop using FRIC suspension systems.

Last week, the FIA's Technical Delegate Charlie Whiting, wrote to the teams advising that following investigations into the systems - which are designed to transfer suspension load from front to rear as well as diagonally across the car as they attempt to control the car's pitch and roll - it is believed the systems contravene Article 3.15 of the Technical Regulations which states that the primary function of suspension designs must be to improving ride quality, with any aerodynamic benefit purely incidental.

Whilst some feared that this was another move by the powers that be to amend the rules mid-season and thereby influence the championship, Whiting said that teams could retain the systems for the remainder of the season providing there was unilateral agreement between them... an absolute rarity in the sport.

Consequently it is feared that some of the underperforming teams might opt to remove their systems thereby forcing the FIA's hand into banning them completely, a move which could impact some much more than others.

Revealing that his team is willing to remove the system in time for this weekend's German Grand Prix, Szafnauer argues that it is naive to believe that all eleven teams will agree to the move.

"We'll do what the majority want, but it's not about majority, it's about unanimity," he told Sky Sports F1 Show. "I think the likelihood of a unanimous agreement is zero quite frankly. I think there will be people out there who say 'if the FIA think it should be banned then let's do that'.

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Rosberg agrees to contract extension

Nico Rosberg has extended his stay with Mercedes after signing a "multi-year extension" with the team.

Rosberg joined Mercedes when it returned to the sport in 2010 and currently leads team-mate Lewis Hamilton by four points in the drivers' standings. Rosberg took his first career victory with Mercedes in 2012 and has since added five more to his name, with the promise of future success a key factor behind the new deal for the German.

"I am very proud to drive the Formula One Silver Arrow of the modern era," Rosberg said. "As a German, the heritage of Mercedes-Benz is very special for me, and I am proud to be able to represent the best car brand around the world. It has been a difficult road to get to where we are now - but everybody kept believing and, thanks to the fantastic support from Mercedes-Benz, we are now leading the way in F1.

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Not surprised, he's been there a long time and it can't go better atm. I wonder if told that he is now seen as the team's no.2 driver how he would react seeing that he has stuck with them through their kark years and has seniority!
 
Not surprised, he's been there a long time and it can't go better atm. I wonder if told that he is now seen as the team's no.2 driver how he would react seeing that he has stuck with them through their kark years and has seniority!

I think that's a by-product of team sport, someone higher up joins and you fall in place.

Having said, if he takes the championship, he will become #1.
 
FRIC suspension systems explained

Front-and-Rear Interconnected Suspension (FRIC) systems have been around for many years; for example Ferrari were one of several teams to run a cable-based system in the 1970s. However, the hydraulics-operated technology of today is much more complicated and can be ‘plumbed’ in many different ways - it can cross link the front suspension, cross link the rear suspension, link the front and rear suspension, or - in the most sophisticated systems - link all four corners diagonally for maximum performance benefit.

But why do so many teams use FRIC systems? The first and most important reason is that it can help to generate more underbody downforce as it gives a degree of control over how the car changes attitude at speed when downforce is increasing. It also allows some degree of ride height/rake control when the car is braking.

Formula One cars produce up to 6G of braking force which means that the load transfer from rear to front is around 300 kilos. This extra weight - there for around one second on corner approach - not only increases the load on the front tyres, it also decreases the load on the rear tyres, and this makes the rear unstable under braking and on corner entry.

The other problem with this weight transfer from a performance point of view is the aerodynamic changes that take place when the car changes attitude. The weight transfer causes the front of the car to get closer to the ground and the rear to get further away and, with normal aero-maps, this will increase front downforce and decrease rear downforce, adding to instability.

If you have a system - like FRIC - that can use the increased load on the front suspension under braking to lower the rear ride height then it is possible to have a much more aggressive underbody and front wing aero-map, which in turn increases the car’s overall downforce and therefore grip.

If the system is sophisticated enough to also allow fluid to be displaced diagonally across the car it also allows the car to be run with much softer suspension without the penalty of increased roll. Again, this will help with overall aerodynamic grip and allow the driver to be much more aggressive over the kerbs.

Most teams keep these sort of systems under wraps so it is difficult to define all the components in detail, but it general they consist of four actuators, one on each corner of the car (the locations of which are indicated by arrows 1 and 2 in this drawing of the 2013 Mercedes F1 W04), with hydraulic pipework connecting the four suspension units to a main accumulator (indicated by arrow 3) which is situated next to a control manifold (indicated by arrow 4).

The main accumulator and the valve system within it acts as the brains behind the system. However, the systems utilised by each team will vary considerably with regard to how they use the displaced hydraulic fluid from each actuator and whether they feed it through to another actuator either diagonally or inline.

In the rear detail image you can see two black actuators with the pipe work linking them to a central accumulator (indicated by the red arrow). As you can see in the main image, pipework then links this to the main accumulator.

In the front detail view (to the right of the main image) you can see the front two actuators inside the chassis (top two red arrows) with two pipes coming from them (middle pair of red arrows). These pipes are used to bleed and pressurise the system with dry break couplings (the lower pair of red arrows).

In the lower detail image, the forward two red arrows show the positioning of the main accumulator and control manifold linking the front and rear suspension, whilst the two rearward red arrows show the positioning of the right-rear actuator and central accumulator.

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Obvious pair in front, but Alonso is also quick, both RB's also there.

Should be a good contest this weekend.
 
German Grand Prix 2014

Free practice 1
Driver Teams Time

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'19.131
2 LC Hamilton (GBR) Mercedes 1'19.196
3 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'19.423
4 D Ricciardo (AUS) Red Bull 1'19.697
5 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'19.833
6 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'20.097
7 K Magnussen (DEN) McLaren 1'20.105
8 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Ferrari 1'20.210
9 D Kvyat (RUS) Toro Rosso 1'20.337
10 A Sutil (GER) Sauber 1'20.505
11 F Massa (BRA) Williams 1'20.542
12 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'20.586
13 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'20.592
14 S Perez (MEX) Force India 1'20.598
15 S Wolff (GBR) Williams 1'20.769
16 G van der Garde (NED) Sauber 1'20.782
17 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'21.603
18 P Maldonado (VEN) Lotus 1'21.854
19 K Kobayashi (JPN) Caterham 1'22.572
20 J Bianchi (FRA) Marussia 1'22.982
21 M Ericsson (SWE) Caterham 1'23.256
22 M Chilton (GBR) Marussia 1'23.299

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FP2 times

1 Hamilton GBR Mercedes 1'18.341
2 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'18.365
3 Ricciardo AUS Red Bull 1'18.443
4 Räikkönen FIN Ferrari 1'18.887
5 Magnussen DEN McLaren 1'18.960
6 Massa BRA Williams 1'19.024
7 Button GBR McLaren 1'19.221
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'19.248
9 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'19.329
10 Bottas FIN Williams 1'19.385
11 Sutil GER Sauber 1'19.417
12 Kvyat RUS Toro Rosso 1'19.452
13 Perez MEX Force India 1'19.581
14 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'19.593
15 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'19.760
16 Maldonado VEN Lotus 1'20.158
17 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'20.358
18 Gutiérrez MEX Sauber 1'20.504
19 Bianchi FRA Marussia 1'21.328
20 Ericsson SWE Caterham 1'21.870
21 Chilton GBR Marussia 1'21.898
22 Kobayashi JPN Caterham 1'23.728

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