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Trying to figure out what Ferrari were thinking...
Only thing I can come up with was they took a gamble on rain. They ran medium-medium, expecting a switch to inters later in the race. Unfortunately, two stints on medium was not long enough to get them to stage in the race where softs could get to the end - with the 2nd set of mediums going off, they probably decided that rain was not gonna happen and their only options were a hard to the end or two more stops for softs... And they thought they could get the hards switched on.
 
FlashSA said:
Crofty had a shocker again. I don't know if he is getting old but he keeps calling cars wrong. He called Russell Hamilton all the way down the straight after the Max 360. Hamilton has so much yellow on the car/helmet, how????
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Yellow has, historically, been the colour assigned to the second driver. In a moment of excitement, it could be an easy mistake to make.

Murray Walker made a career out of butchering calls when he was excited. Granted, Crofty doesn't have the endearing charm of Murray, so his fubars are not passed off as an idiosyncrasy.
 
Harold_Crick said:
Yellow has, historically, been the colour assigned to the second driver. In a moment of excitement, it could be an easy mistake to make.

Murray Walker made a career out of butchering calls when he was excited. Granted, Crofty doesn't have the endearing charm of Murray, so his fubars are not passed off as an idiosyncrasy.
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James Hunt was good at keeping Murray on track so to speak.
 
Sinbad said:
Trying to figure out what Ferrari were thinking...
Only thing I can come up with was they took a gamble on rain. They ran medium-medium, expecting a switch to inters later in the race. Unfortunately, two stints on medium was not long enough to get them to stage in the race where softs could get to the end - with the 2nd set of mediums going off, they probably decided that rain was not gonna happen and their only options were a hard to the end or two more stops for softs... And they thought they could get the hards switched on.
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Well the best strategy was starting on softs. This is hindsight as few of the top runners ever start on softs. But with the cold weather a few took a chance and it worked as they then could go on mediums all the way after that. Verstappen, Perez, Vettel and Stroll all made up many places with that strategy.
For the guys starting on mediums, Sainz and Hamilton both went medium. medium soft. Hamilton made many places and ended up 2nd. Old tortoise Sains did not as he is to slow.
Ferrari did not let Leclerc pass the tortoise, so he was stuck losing time and tyres going of quicker by sitting behind the tortoise.
Even with that, Leclerc still said he was fine on his seconds mediums to run longer and go soft, but Ferrari still decided to put him on hards.
Ferrari's biggest problem is the tortoise and the management not excepting that he is a tortoise and should let the hare pass him as soon as possible.
I will bet that every race where Leclerc had a bad race result(excluding his crash and engine failures) he was sitting behind the tortoise somewhere in the race
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Well the best strategy was starting on softs. This is hindsight as few of the top runners ever start on softs. But with the cold weather a few took a chance and it worked as they then could go on mediums all the way after that. Verstappen, Perez, Vettel and Stroll all made up many places with that strategy.
For the guys starting on mediums, Sainz and Hamilton both went medium. medium soft. Hamilton made many places and ended up 2nd. Old tortoise Sains did not as he is to slow.
Ferrari did not let Leclerc pass the tortoise, so he was stuck losing time and tyres going of quicker by sitting behind the tortoise.
Even with that, Leclerc still said he was fine on his seconds mediums to run longer and go soft, but Ferrari still decided to put him on hards.
Ferrari's biggest problem is the tortoise and the management not excepting that he is a tortoise and should let the hare pass him as soon as possible.
I will bet that every race where Leclerc had a bad race result(excluding his crash and engine failures) he was sitting behind the tortoise somewhere in the race
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That might be a bit harsh, Sainz isn't my favourite driver but I really don't think he is that bad, Clucky is better though, that I agree with. Binotto should have made Clucky their first driver a long time ago.
 
Craig_ said:
That might be a bit harsh, Sainz isn't my favourite driver but I really don't think he is that bad, Clucky is better though, that I agree with. Binotto should have made Clucky their first driver a long time ago.
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Yes we all loved Perez, Bottas, Barrichello etc. Because they and their teams knew they were the second drivers. Not because someone hated them, but because their times showed it.
If Sainz and his team don't want to acknowledge it, then the fans should be harsh to bring them to their senses.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Yes we all loved Perez, Bottas, Barrichello etc. Because they and their teams knew they were the second drivers. Not because someone hated them, but because their times showed it.
If Sainz and his team don't want to acknowledge it, then the fans should be harsh to bring them to their senses.
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Yeah, but it comes back again to Binotto not being a strong enough leader. If they want a chance of the championship they'll have to let that guy go, as well as the strategist.
 
Just think what will happen if the Minister of defence(Perez) was not told often to let Max pass and then mess up Max's races. Would there be an outcry of hate towards Perez?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Just think what will happen if the Minister of defence(Perez) was not told often to let Max pass and then mess up Max's races. Would there be an outcry of hate towards Perez?
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Perez is much slower than Max, the points reflects this, Sainz isn't that far behind Clucky, I'd hope that with a big enough point deficit Binotto would make a call on which driver slots in where much easier. For starters Clucky would need to show his dominance by outqualifying Sainz on a regular enough basis over and above being faster in the actual race.
 
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Craig_ said:
Perez is much slower than Max, the points reflects this, Sains isn't that far behind Clucky, I'd hope that with a big enough point deficit Binotto would make a call on which driver slots in where much easier. For starters Clucky would need to show his dominance by outqualifying Sainz on a regular enough basis over and above being faster in the actual race.
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It's hard for him to make that call when the drivers themselves are sending mixed messages. Charles has good qualifying pace and good race pace, if he finishes a race. Sainz has good qualifying pace, slower race pace but has started finishing races more consistently...
 
Craig_ said:
Perez is much slower than Max, the points reflects this, Sainz isn't that far behind Clucky, I'd hope that with a big enough point deficit Binotto would make a call on which driver slots in where much easier. For starters Clucky would need to show his dominance by outqualifying Sainz on a regular enough basis over and above being faster in the actual race.
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Perez vs Max point reflects that because they let max pass Perez the moment he is behind him, not the case for Leclerc.
Sainz have only out qualified Leclerc 2 times the whole season and another time Leclerc started from the back with engine penalties. Perez have also out qualified Verstappen, does not make him suddenly a great driver if he hooks up a lap a few times a year.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Perez vs Max point reflects that because they let max pass Perez the moment he is behind him, not the case for Leclerc.
Sainz have only out qualified Leclerc 2 times the whole season and another time Leclerc started from the back with engine penalties. Perez have also out qualified Verstappen, does not make him suddenly a great driver if he hooks up a lap a few times a year.
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While true Clucky will need to be more dominant on a more regular basis to get the number 1 driver spot.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I will bet that every race where Leclerc had a bad race result(excluding his crash and engine failures) he was sitting behind the tortoise somewhere in the race
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Probably not. Sainz has his own race to do, and if it results in a win, great. This is where the Ferrari strategists come in and they'll be the ones to tell Sainz to push as hard as possible for a target time, and if not, pull over for Le Clerc. There is no indication this happened. Problem doesn't lie with Sainz.

RBR had Checo move over in the race for Verstappen as they had different race strategies. Verstappen won. Teamwork...
 
Craig_ said:
Yeah, but it comes back again to Binotto not being a strong enough leader. If they want a chance of the championship they'll have to let that guy go, as well as the strategist.
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Binotto is a mechanical engineer if I remember correctly. Not necessarily the best person to have on the wall.
 
Naks said:
things are getting spicy in drivers' market!

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Well, does Alonso feel that marginalised at Alpine that he went along and signed with AMR?
I wonder what Alpine will now do. Sure, Alonso is under contract to race for the remainder of the year, but they could just as well kick him out the car and have someone else race whilst still paying him.
 
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