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FIA perhaps too lenient with F1 team criticisms, says Todt

Outgoing FIA president Jean Todt suggests motor racing's governing body may have been too lenient in the way it has allowed Formula 1 drivers and teams to criticise its decisions.
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FIA perhaps too lenient with F1 team criticisms, says Todt​


Outgoing FIA president Jean Todt suggests motor racing's governing body may have been too lenient in the way it has allowed Formula 1 drivers and teams to criticise its decisions.​


Amid an increased scrutiny over the governing body's actions in the wake of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix safety car controversy, the FIA has found itself having to defend its corner over what happened at the weekend.

And Mercedes in particular has been especially outspoken in believing that what took place through the decisions of F1 race director Michael Masi was just part of a wider failure by the FIA in applying consistent application of the rules.

Team boss Toto Wolff said: "I would have wished for more consistent decision making that could have avoided many of the controversies throughout the year. But the last one was just a decision that had the biggest impact and, from a sporting perspective, a catastrophic impact because it decided the world championship."

This season also witnessed Red Bull team principal Christian Horner say the sport missed the late F1 race director Charlie Whiting, as he suggested some conversations with Masi felt like something from the 'souk' at times.

But Todt, who is leaving his position after 12 years in charge of the FIA, has suggested that F1 should look at the way that other sports have a zero-tolerance approach to any slating of the regulations.

In particular, he cites the 10-match ban that Lyon football club president Jean-Michel Aulas has been handed down for threatening a referee in a bid to get a game restarted
 
Defonotaltaccount said:
Can you guys still crying about Max WDC 2021.
Please confine it to the 2021 thread.
Also another way of saying Max WDC 2021 is.....
Lost the WDC in a car that won WCC.
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Keep up Defoanaltaccount, the conversation is now about the FIA and how they are handling the fallout of the last GP.

Max won, Lewis lost, that is last weeks news now.
 
Dave said:
Keep up Defoanaltaccount, the conversation is now about the FIA and how they are handling the fallout of the last GP.

Max won, Lewis lost, that is last weeks news now.
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Then why all the tears disguised under a thin veil.
Of "fairness" ?
They went car racing.
A guy lost.
End of story.

Real story here is why didnt LH get a penalty for only returning track position he stole on the first lap.
in the last lap.
 
Defonotaltaccount said:
Then why all the tears disguised under a thin veil.
Of "fairness" ?
They went car racing.
A guy lost.
End of story.
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What tears, my argument is with how the FIA handled the whole episode and how they are going to fix it so it doesn't happen again. Max was extremely lucky, as Horner said, he got a miracle. No one is disputing that, Max won.

Defonotaltaccount said:
Real story here is why didnt LH get a penalty for only returning track position he stole on the first lap.
in the last lap.
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Because the stewards decided he didn't gain an advantage and had no where to go after being forced off the track. That was the decision.

You're a little hypocritical to be whining about people complaining about the last lap when you're complaining about the first lap, Mr Analtaccount...
 
Dave said:
What tears, my argument is with how the FIA handled the whole episode and how they are going to fix it so it doesn't happen again. Max was extremely lucky, as Horner said, he got a miracle. No one is disputing that, Max won.



Because the stewards decided he didn't gain an advantage and had no where to go after being forced off the track. That was the decision.

You're a little hypocritical to be whining about people complaining about the last lap when you're complaining about the first lap, Mr Analtaccount...
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Was just saying he took.
A long time.
To return the track position.
And....
We dont fix things which arent broke.
Rules say ANY car not ALL.
Plus debris and car were cleared on lap 56 or so.

Say, didnt you have all that telemetry data for the previous GP ?
Where is the temerity now to say he didnt gain an advantage ?
 
Defonotaltaccount said:
Rules say ANY car not ALL.
Plus debris and car were cleared on lap 56 or so.
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Your reasoning is terrible, and it's not really disputed that Masi made a complete balls up of the procedures. It's how it's going to be sorted before the new season starts that matters now.

Let's look forward and stop whining just because you don't like Hamilton. Max won, that is done and dusted, he got his trophy last night.
 
Dave said:
Your reasoning is terrible, and it's not really disputed that Masi made a complete balls up of the procedures. It's how it's going to be sorted before the new season starts that matters now.

Let's look forward and stop whining just because you don't like Hamilton. Max won, that is done and dusted, he got his trophy last night.
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Im not whining.
You are.
Dont try flip the narrative.

Where did Masi make a mistake ?
ANY not ALL.
Rules say he has discretion.
Teams wanted a racing finish.
Toto even cried for no safety car when it was needed saying "you know what that vil do to us".
Debris plus car off track in time for a race.
I see no problem.
Neither did Alonso.
Unless you have more racing experience than him ?
 
Defonotaltaccount said:
Im not whining.
You are.
Dont try flip the narrative.

Where did Masi make a mistake ?
ANY not ALL.
Rules say he has discretion.
Teams wanted a racing finish.
Toto even cried for no safety car when it was needed saying "you know what that vil do to us".
Debris plus car off track in time for a race.
I see no problem.
Neither did Alonso.
Unless you have more racing experience than him ?
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Now you're just flapping in the wind. You also haven't personally read the regs, have you?

The whole world is in agreement that Masi is a fukk up, even RedBull have criticised some of his crazy decisions, only Mr Defoanaltaccount wants to carry on that argument.
 
Dave said:
Now you're just flapping in the wind. You also haven't personally read the regs, have you?

The whole world is in agreement that Masi is a fukk up, even RedBull have criticised some of his crazy decisions, only Mr Defoanaltaccount wants to carry on that argument.
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I have read them, have you ?
It is why i asked where he fuxxed it in your opinion.
It is how i know he has discretion.
And
ANY not ALL.

Was this you ?
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oh and YOU engaged me.
 
Naks said:
You guys really need to stop feeding the resident troll
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I am trying to get Dave to understand we dont need rule changes for next year.
Just because Ham lost.
Which side of the fence was he on when rules favored Ham ?
Wasnt he spreading conspiracy theories that Per had a "doctored" car just to hold up Ham ?
As if RedBvll could tell the future.

If rules need changing or whatever the Hamfans want.
Then it has to be consistent even when it goes against Ham.
 
I'd like to see the back marker teams shake up the midfield big time next year. The regs allow for a somewhat level playing field and the stragglers haven't done any dev on their 2021 cars so they can't complain about being focused elsewhere
 
Thought this was the 2022 thread?

Anyway, Stroll will win it - the Aston Martins are going to be unstoppable out the gate.

On a more serious note, if the changes to the car make for closer racing, we should have a really good mid sector this year!
 
Im just excited for big fatty boy tyres.
Now if we could just get teams to be allowed to go no hybrid if they want.
All dev etc.
And allow teams free choice of V-whatever.
Oh and get rid of DRS or have it used properly.
 
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