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Post from Reddit on the show cars. Obviously you cannot believe everything you see on the internet, but the sub mods confirmed that the person who posted was able to prove that they have contacts with F1 as a supplier to multiple teams. According to them, the ''real'' deals will be at the Bahrian test, then we'll get to see how the teams have truly interpreted the new concept.



The show car origins behind Red Bull's fake RB18​

Red Bull built up its RB18 launch as a new car reveal but hopes of a first look at a proper 2022 Formula 1 challenger quickly fell flat.​

Rather than it being the machine that Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez will take into battle this season, it was simply a modified version of an F1 show car concept that has been shown off for months.

Team boss Christian Horner all but admitted that the ‘RB18’ on display at the launch was not going to be the same when it gets seen at the grands prix.
“By the time we get to the first race, the RB18 won’t look much like it looks today,” he said. “The evolution will be very quick as we progress through the season.”
But there was no need for much subterfuge about what was on show
, because it was fairly obvious from looking at the ‘RB18’ design that it was based on the show car geometry that FOM had made available to teams for use in promotional and marketing work.

There have been numerous versions of the show car and renders produced by F1 in order to tease this new generation of machinery. They are not all identical, with the likes of the front wing, nose and sidepods all altered slightly to show how the regulations might offer us some variation up and down the grid.

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Red Bull Racing RB18
F1 2022 car

As you can see from the side-by-side images (above) the Red Bull shares a kinship in terms of the sidepod design with one of the renders presented alongside the physical car shown at Silverstone last season.

The hexagonal roll hoop, lack of DRS on display, floor shape and rear wing design are also closely matched.

However, one difference is that the FOM render has a version of the front wing with the maximum of four elements as the latest rules allow – while the Red Bull version is the older three-element regulation.

Although F1 hasn’t used a three-element version extensively in its own marketing of the new cars, it did have one at its own headquarters as has been spotted on social media.



We are yet to see the RB18 then, meaning there will now be even more scrutiny when the car emerges at the first pre-season test in Barcelona. There remains an awful lot of intrigue about what the Milton Keynes-based team will come up with – especially with the key design aspects.

One main area of interest for many about the 2022 design is the suspension choices – something teams are being quite secretive about.

While there has been speculation that some of Red Bull’s rivals could be switching to pull-rod suspension at the front of their cars, Red Bull could actually be going the other way and make a switch in the opposite direction at the rear.

One possibility that teams have been looking at, and which could feature on the Red Bull, is a push-rod rear suspension to help make gains from the design of the underfloor and diffuser areas.

Red Bull RB5 rear detail

Red Bull RB5 rear detail

Photo by: Giorgio Piola

Such a move would be in stark contrast to when Red Bull reintroduced the pull-rod layout at the rear of the RB5 when F1 last had a major shake-up of the aerodynamic regulations in 2009.

The switch by Red Bull back then represented a must-have move for the design of every car that followed, as the other teams quickly realised that the layout suited the prevailing regulations.

However, on that specific occasion, it did cause Red Bull some issues when it realised it must also adopt the double diffuser that would-be champions Brawn GP had installed.

Red Bull RB5 2009 top view comparison with Brawn BGP001

Red Bull RB5 2009 top view comparison with Brawn BGP001









Lollies CH uitgevang :laugh:
 

 

Former Formula 1 driver and Sky Sports F1 pundit Martin Brundle says resurfaced radio communications with F1 race director Michael Masi from Abu Dhabi are "uncomfortable" to hear.​


Audio of a chat between Masi and Red Bull sporting director Jonathan Wheatley were widely circulated on social media on Wednesday, prompting fresh anger from many fans.

In the conversation that is taking place during the late-race safety car, Wheatley says: "Those lapped cars; you don't need to let them go right the way around and catch up with the back of the pack. You only need to let them go, and then we've got a motor race on our hands."

What has caused unease among many is that Wheatley's final comment appeared to have set the tone for Masi's justification of bringing the safety car in early when he was criticised post-race by Mercedes boss Toto Wolff.

Masi replied: "Toto, it's called a motor race, okay?"

While the radio chatter is not new and had been originally released by F1 in the week after the Abu Dhabi race, it had been missed by many amid the furore of the events at the time.

Interestingly it was also only made available to the public on 16 December, hours after Mercedes had elected to drop its appeal over the Abu Dhabi result so the team could not have been aware of that chat before it took its final decision.

Brundle, who was commentating on the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, said the resurfaced audio prompted this week shows the level of anger there remains from fans about the FIA's handling of events.

Speaking to Sky Sports F1, he said: "It's not new news, and also I think you have to understand that it's not necessarily telling Michael Masi something he didn't already know.

"Let's not assume it's giving Masi information he didn't already know in terms of what he could and couldn't do in terms of the lapped pack.

"Of course it's really uncomfortable, and a lot of people are unhappy: [Lewis] Hamilton fans, Mercedes fans.

"And you don't even have to be a Lewis Hamilton fan to think that forever he should be an eight-time world champion, because, for me, the really crucial regulation that wasn't carried out was that the safety car should have come in at the end of the following lap.

"But we also know that unwritten rules and meetings, which shouldn't supersede anything, were: let's try not to have a race finish behind the safety car.

"Hugely unacceptable. I met so many fans that were new to Formula 1 last year particularly, and fans in general, that were hugely upset by what happened."
 



"Hugely unacceptable. I met so many fans that were new to Formula 1 last year particularly, and fans in general, that were hugely upset by what happened."

Ironically, it is these new fans that Liberty is going out of their way to attract and ''entertain''.

Formula One became a victim of its own increase in popularity and the means to get there. (Contrived) Entertainment on Netflix, (contrived?) entertainment on-track. So here we are.

As for Brundle's comments, he forgets that Toto was in Masi's ear as well, trying to influence decisions that would favour his driver.
 
As for Brundle's comments, he forgets that Toto was in Masi's ear as well, trying to influence decisions that would favour his driver.
I don't think that comment excluded Toto's role, it was more general, he was far more critical of Mercedes and Toto post race.

I think he was telling two stories there, one about lobbying the ref and another about bending the rules for entertainment sake. The Red Bull bent comes as a result of the recently highlighted audio which was made available after Mercedes dropped their appeal.

It's all hotting up ahead of Mondays announcement I guess.
 

Vettel hopes Masi "sticks around" but calls for F1 rules clarity​

Sebastian Vettel hopes under-fire Formula 1 race director Michael Masi “sticks around” but feels the series must offer clarity of the rules amid the fallout from Abu Dhabi.​


Masi’s future is in doubt as the FIA completes an investigation into the decisions taken in the closing stages of last year’s season finale that ultimately helped decide the world championship.

Max Verstappen overtook Lewis Hamilton on the final lap of the race, but Masi failed to implement at least two articles of the sporting regulations when restarting the race following a safety car, including allowing all lapped cars to unlap themselves.

The FIA is understood to be considering a change in the structure of its F1 operations moving forward, ensuring the race director has greater support in the future.

Asked by Autosport for his thoughts on Abu Dhabi and the FIA investigation, Vettel stressed the need to “focus on the sport and not so much on the show” in F1.

“Obviously I was in the race and wondering why we're not released earlier in order to get the race started again, but I guess there's a protocol and rules,” Vettel said.

“I think the main thing is that going forwards there's clarity what's happening in these sort of situations and no questions asked anymore.”

Talking about the balance between the sport and the show, Vettel felt it was a “pity” there had been “clashing” of the interests, and expressed his hope that Masi would continue as race director.

“It’s not the easiest sometimes to be in the shoes of the referee or Michael's shoes, but I think he's done a great job, especially after filling in after Charlie [Whiting] passed away so sudden,” Vettel said.

“He really has been very, very focused and determined to do a good job. So I don't know what's his future, but I hope he sticks around, because I think he overall, he did a very, very good job.

Vettel’s Aston Martin team-mate Lance Stroll was one of the drivers prevented from unlapping themselves in Abu Dhabi after race control only instructed those between Verstappen and Hamilton on-track to pass the safety car.

Stroll said he thought it was a “ridiculous” decision when asked for his view on the call by Autosport, and urged greater consistency in the future.

“We can’t change the rules halfway through, or at the end of a race, tell half the cars they can overtake,” Stroll said.

“Unfortunately I was part of the group of the other half of the cars that couldn’t overtake on brand new soft tyres with the opportunity to pass and maybe do something, not necessarily, but whatever.

“It’s just never been done before, and I think it’s important that we keep rules consistent. I understand that it’s great to go racing and everyone wants to see the last lap of the race and the two drivers fighting for the world championship go head-to-head with one lap to go.

“But we can’t be making up rules at the end of a race like that. It has to be set in stone. If there was maybe an error where cars didn’t pass soon enough when the safety car came out or back markers weren’t allowed to pass the safety car early enough, and the consequence is we won’t get a whole lap of racing, well then that’s how it is.

“The rules have to be consistent. In Formula 1, we’ve seen some inconsistency in penalties and decision-making, and I think this was just maybe a little bit too much.”
 
Ironically, it is these new fans that Liberty is going out of their way to attract and ''entertain''.

Formula One became a victim of its own increase in popularity and the means to get there. (Contrived) Entertainment on Netflix, (contrived?) entertainment on-track. So here we are.

As for Brundle's comments, he forgets that Toto was in Masi's ear as well, trying to influence decisions that would favour his driver.
I like the Editors take on the subject over at Pitpass.com:

All else aside, one has to ask why now? Why has it taken almost two months for such incendiary footage to be revealed?

Why is it released on the day of the Red Bull launch, and just days after Lewis Hamilton finally emerged from his self-imposed exile.

And why, as surely anyone who has uploaded official F1 footage to social media will attest, has FOM not exercised its strict copyright control.

Indeed, adding to the feeling that this is just a little too convenient, is the fact that the footage even has an ominous, pulsating, rock soundtrack.

Why, it's almost as though it was put together by a professional movie company...

One final question.

If the footage is accurate and is clear proof that Masi was 'following orders', what happens next? Forget what happens to the Australian, what happens in terms of the 2021 title?

Now that's a conundrum that would surely make great TV.

Cue ominous, pulsating rock soundtrack.
 
I like the Editors take on the subject over at Pitpass.com:

All else aside, one has to ask why now? Why has it taken almost two months for such incendiary footage to be revealed?

Why is it released on the day of the Red Bull launch, and just days after Lewis Hamilton finally emerged from his self-imposed exile.

And why, as surely anyone who has uploaded official F1 footage to social media will attest, has FOM not exercised its strict copyright control.

Indeed, adding to the feeling that this is just a little too convenient, is the fact that the footage even has an ominous, pulsating, rock soundtrack.

Why, it's almost as though it was put together by a professional movie company...

One final question.

If the footage is accurate and is clear proof that Masi was 'following orders', what happens next? Forget what happens to the Australian, what happens in terms of the 2021 title?

Now that's a conundrum that would surely make great TV.

Cue ominous, pulsating rock soundtrack.
It's been released to coincide with Mondays announcement as it's interesting and relevant lol
 

One shudders to think of the sort of money that has changed hands especially as Bahrain will be determined to retain its prestigious opening slot on the calendar.
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Of course, the big question is, will F1 even be around in 2036... highly unlikely if there are any repeats of the Abu Dhabi fiasco.
 
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