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quovadis said:
The initiative which George took benefited George and George only which is obviously sub-optimal for the team and denied them any chance of a victory. Anyone watching (and I'm sure Lewis too) at the time knew if they were going to have a go at a victory it was essential to have a buffer to Verstappen at the restart.
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Maaaaaaybe...but Wolff could have come over the radio and said that the change of tyres wasn't on. So yes, it benefited Russell (hell, Merc have done this plenty of times to benefit Hamilton in the past) but the team supported it.
 
OhYeah84 said:
Maaaaaaybe...but Wolff could have come over the radio and said that the change of tyres wasn't on. So yes, it benefited Russell (hell, Merc have done this plenty of times to benefit Hamilton in the past) but the team supported it.
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I think the timing of the call didn't allow for evaluation - it would've been too late as he was at the pit entry already. Happy for George to win another podium but would've preferred a proper scrap at the end for a fighting chance even if it didn't guarantee a podium.

Edit: Just to add, in the past those Hamilton decisions resulted in wins and double podiums for the team.
 
OhYeah84 said:
Maaaaaaybe...but Wolff could have come over the radio and said that the change of tyres wasn't on. So yes, it benefited Russell (hell, Merc have done this plenty of times to benefit Hamilton in the past) but the team supported it.
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Leaving GR out on the older tyres would have done nothing to the end result (except maybe stop him overtaking Hamilton). There's no way they were keeping Max behind them - look how long it took after the SC restart for max to overtake Ham. All of one second? GR would have been zero protection...
As to GR overtaking Hamilton - he deserved it. He thought on his feet, made a quick decision, and reaped the benefits. Ham could also have pitted for softs and then would have kept GR behind him.
 
Sinbad said:
Leaving GR out on the older tyres would have done nothing to the end result (except maybe stop him overtaking Hamilton). There's no way they were keeping Max behind them - look how long it took after the SC restart for max to overtake Ham. All of one second? GR would have been zero protection...
As to GR overtaking Hamilton - he deserved it. He thought on his feet, made a quick decision, and reaped the benefits. Ham could also have pitted for softs and then would have kept GR behind him.
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Yes look how easy George and Leclerc overtook Hamilton. If George did not pit. Verstappen and Leclerc would have passed both of them just as easy
 
quovadis said:
The initiative which George took benefited George and George only which is obviously sub-optimal for the team and denied them any chance of a victory. Anyone watching (and I'm sure Lewis too) at the time knew if they were going to have a go at a victory it was essential to have a buffer to Verstappen at the restart.
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You honestly think George and Lewis would've held off either of Max or Charles on fresh softs?
 
Sinbad said:
Leaving GR out on the older tyres would have done nothing to the end result (except maybe stop him overtaking Hamilton). There's no way they were keeping Max behind them - look how long it took after the SC restart for max to overtake Ham. All of one second? GR would have been zero protection...
As to GR overtaking Hamilton - he deserved it. He thought on his feet, made a quick decision, and reaped the benefits. Ham could also have pitted for softs and then would have kept GR behind him.
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Yep. Whether GR or LH finished ahead of each other made no difference to the team result. LH not opting for new tyres actually cost them a place to LeClerc. Keeping GR on older tyres would have cost them even more.

Toto crying about missing a potential win is living in lala land...
 
OhYeah84 said:
Maaaaaaybe...but Wolff could have come over the radio and said that the change of tyres wasn't on. So yes, it benefited Russell (hell, Merc have done this plenty of times to benefit Hamilton in the past) but the team supported it.
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Looking at the driver's standings, surely Merc should be giving give RUS the best strategy?
 
Speedster said:
You honestly think George and Lewis would've held off either of Max or Charles on fresh softs?
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Once again, if they wanted to go for the win it was the only chance. Pitting both or either had no chance for the Mercs to catch Max and probably the same fate from Charles behind with the number of laps remaining.
 
quovadis said:
Once again, if they wanted to go for the win it was the only chance. Pitting both or either had no chance for the Mercs to catch Max and probably the same fate from Charles behind with the number of laps remaining.
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There was no chance of a win barring a Max retirement. GR made the best call and was rewarded with the most points for the team. What's the point trying to get a driver win and risking team points. They could have gotten 2nd and 3rd and instead ended up with 2nd and 4th, that's what it comes down to...
 
Speedster said:
Looking at the driver's standings, surely Merc should be giving give RUS the best strategy?
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Yes, but he's still probably not seen as being the #1 driver. Until Hamilton leaves, that'll never happen. And if it DOES happen while Hamilton is still there, can you imagine the in-car radio...? :)
 
Sinbad said:
Leaving GR out on the older tyres would have done nothing to the end result (except maybe stop him overtaking Hamilton). There's no way they were keeping Max behind them - look how long it took after the SC restart for max to overtake Ham. All of one second? GR would have been zero protection...
As to GR overtaking Hamilton - he deserved it. He thought on his feet, made a quick decision, and reaped the benefits. Ham could also have pitted for softs and then would have kept GR behind him.
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All true. Like I said, Hamilton is all for the plaudits and praises being heaped on him when he has been winning. But, he's just a driver as he told his race engineer a couple of months ago when he was asked if he wanted to change his tyres. He didn't, got borked and blamed them.
All good when winning; when not he blames others, seemingly unable to think on his feet. Russell has proven him to be average this year and completely outperformed him.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
There was no chance of a win barring a Max retirement. GR made the best call and was rewarded with the most points for the team. What's the point trying to get a driver win and risking team points. They could have gotten 2nd and 3rd and instead ended up with 2nd and 4th, that's what it comes down to...
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Of course there was a chance if they stayed in position and George got his elbows out. Would it have worked? Maybe. Maybe not. But it was a fighting chance to at least go for the win if George had've played a role in holding up Max ala Alonso for Ocon at the Hungarian GP or Perez for Verstappen in Abu Dhabi.
 
quovadis said:
Of course there was a chance if they stayed in position and George got his elbows out. Would it have worked? Maybe. Maybe not. But it was a fighting chance to at least go for the win if George had've played a role in holding up Max ala Alonso for Ocon at the Hungarian GP or Perez for Verstappen in Abu Dhabi.
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Russell would have been a sitting duck for Verstappen.
 
OhYeah84 said:
All true. Like I said, Hamilton is all for the plaudits and praises being heaped on him when he has been winning. But, he's just a driver as he told his race engineer a couple of months ago when he was asked if he wanted to change his tyres. He didn't, got borked and blamed them.
All good when winning; when not he blames others, seemingly unable to think on his feet. Russell has proven him to be average this year and completely outperformed him.
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Oh come on, Lewis's frustration was not because they didn't pit him - it was because Russell gave up position and in doing so sealed Lewis's fate. Racing drivers want wins, not podiums.
 
OhYeah84 said:
Russell would have been a sitting duck for Verstappen.
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At the restart? Russell just needed to stay at the maximum distance from Lewis and accelerate at a slower pace and Max would've been later on the charge because he wouldn't have been able to overtake Russel until the line.
 
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