F1 2023

Which team will take constructors in 2023?

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UrBaN963 said:
How exciting can’t wait.

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Power has been a consistent problem for Renault since the beginning of the hybrid era. Horner complained about it when Red Bull used them.

EDIT: It goes further back. They suffered for the lack of power through their title-winning years as well and before that when engine homologation was frozen between 2007 - 2010, they fought to have it lifted so they could find some more power. They were successful because while they lacked power, they were the most fuel-efficient engine during the last of the refueling days and then when they won championships with Red Bull, it was more down to Newey, who masked the power shortfall by building a car that had excellent cornering speed and was kind to its tyres. What they would lose on the straights, they made up in the corners. Power, or the lack thereof, appears to be a longstanding problem.
 
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OhYeah84 said:
Hamilton being passed (well actually out-dragged WITHOUT DRS) into T1 and then being passed by 2 customer engined cars was pure F1 gold (hell, hope nobody here is triggered!).

The rest of the race was quite but then again Hungary isn't well known for much passing. Ask Hamilton who couldn't get past Alonso for how many laps a couple of years ago!

Hopefully Spa is a better race. Verstappen is unstoppable, Checo drove a great race.
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That car is a rocket ship, he drove okay but lets be honest, if he didn't do that with the fastest car around his name could just as well have been Stroll.
 
Craig_ said:
That car is a rocket ship, he drove okay but lets be honest, if he didn't do that with the fastest car around his name could just as well have been Stroll.
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That is the thing with him, the car is hiding his flaws a bit. If he was a great driver, he would be putting that car into P1, P2 come quali day.

Not to say he is bad, but I don't rate him as I would a Lando for instance. I still think his time is up at RB. That crash would not have done him any more favours.
 
dotdan said:
If they can sort out the performance when the car is heavy on fuel, they will be right up there. That Merc looks to be the fastest car with low fuel. LH was catching Checo those last 10 laps and if he had 3-4 more he probably would have passed him.
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Maybe, maybe not. Remember Alonso keeping Hamilton behind him for 15 laps in an inferior car at the same track 2 years previously?
Checo isn't called the Minister of Defence for nothing.
 
dotdan said:
Aston just is nowhere atm. They dropped the ball a bit with upgrades, the other teams just rushing past them atm.

So happy for Mclaren, hopefully they can carry on this form. Merc is getting there, slowly but surely. Ferrari is a midfield team now.

The RB is just a beast on race day. I can't see anyone beating them this year unless there is a DNF.
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Hoefully after the break they'll be somewhere again! They've dropped off the past 3 races.
 
Craig_ said:
That car is a rocket ship, he drove okay but lets be honest, if he didn't do that with the fastest car around his name could just as well have been Stroll.
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Then the same would go for 7x world champ. It's hard to make blanket statements, I can guarantee you Stroll would suck in that car. Every driver they've tried to partner with Max has sucked, most of them more talented than Stroll. The car may be fast but you still need the ability to extract the most from it.

Was a bit of both for Checo. Apart from the car he also drove well, made up 6 places on a track not suited to overtaking. Especially when RB strength is straight line speed. But it wasn't the drive of a champion, otherwise he would have finished ahead of Lando...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Then the same would go for 7x world champ. It's hard to make blanket statements, I can guarantee you Stroll would suck in that car. Every driver they've tried to partner with Max has sucked, most of them more talented than Stroll. The car may be fast but you still need the ability to extract the most from it.

Was a bit of both for Checo. Apart from the car he also drove well, made up 6 places on a track not suited to overtaking. Especially when RB strength is straight line speed. But it wasn't the drive of a champion, otherwise he would have finished ahead of Lando...
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True, and I used to rate him, but it's becoming clear he can't keep a clear head under pressure. If the 7x (8?) time champ had a car that fast he wouldn't be qualifying in the midfield week after week. He should be out front with his pace advantage.
 
Would Sainz be a option as a number 2 driver at Red Bull? I don't think he has the speed to be number 1, but surely can do a proper job as wingman?
 
Craig_ said:
True, and I used to rate him, but it's becoming clear he can't keep a clear head under pressure. If the 7x (8?) time champ had a car that fast he wouldn't be qualifying in the midfield week after week. He should be out front with his pace advantage.
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I think qualifying is Checo's weakness. He has good race pace, went from last to first in a Force India, and you don't do that without some talent.

Still rate Hamilton as a great driver, I just don't like his whiny woke poor me personality. Just like I don't like Max for being too much of a dick but still rate him as a great driver too.

IMO there's the top tier of drivers - Max, Hamilton, Lando, Russell, Alonso, Charles and maybe Piastri in a few years - put them in the right car and they'll win the driver's championship.

Then the next tier - Checo, Sainz, Albon, Ocon, Gasly, Ricciardo - all talented drivers and great on their day, but missing that x-factor to win a championship irrespective of which car they're in. And they all have some kind of mental block or weakness in some aspect over the course of the weekend. To win the championship you need to be good as everything.

Then there's the rest...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
I think qualifying is Checo's weakness. He has good race pace, went from last to first in a Force India, and you don't do that without some talent.

Still rate Hamilton as a great driver, I just don't like his whiny woke poor me personality. Just like I don't like Max for being too much of a dick but still rate him as a great driver too.

IMO there's the top tier of drivers - Max, Hamilton, Lando, Russell, Alonso, Charles and maybe Piastri in a few years - put them in the right car and they'll win the driver's championship.

Then the next tier - Checo, Sainz, Albon, Ocon, Gasly, Ricciardo - all talented drivers and great on their day, but missing that x-factor to win a championship irrespective of which car they're in. And they all have some kind of mental block or weakness in some aspect over the course of the weekend. To win the championship you need to be good as everything.

Then there's the rest...
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Where does Goatifi fit in?
 
dotdan said:
That is the thing with him, the car is hiding his flaws a bit. If he was a great driver, he would be putting that car into P1, P2 come quali day.

Not to say he is bad, but I don't rate him as I would a Lando for instance. I still think his time is up at RB. That crash would not have done him any more favours.
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The car may as well have Max' name on it. It's designed for Max.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Then the same would go for 7x world champ. It's hard to make blanket statements, I can guarantee you Stroll would suck in that car. Every driver they've tried to partner with Max has sucked, most of them more talented than Stroll. The car may be fast but you still need the ability to extract the most from it.
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That's pretty much my point. It's designed for Max, as Christian has already said.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
I think qualifying is Checo's weakness. He has good race pace, went from last to first in a Force India, and you don't do that without some talent.

Still rate Hamilton as a great driver, I just don't like his whiny woke poor me personality. Just like I don't like Max for being too much of a dick but still rate him as a great driver too.

IMO there's the top tier of drivers - Max, Hamilton, Lando, Russell, Alonso, Charles and maybe Piastri in a few years - put them in the right car and they'll win the driver's championship.

Then the next tier - Checo, Sainz, Albon, Ocon, Gasly, Ricciardo - all talented drivers and great on their day, but missing that x-factor to win a championship irrespective of which car they're in. And they all have some kind of mental block or weakness in some aspect over the course of the weekend. To win the championship you need to be good as everything.

Then there's the rest...
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I worry for Charles. I worry that he's picking up bad habits at Ferrari - having to deal with that car.
 
lkpat said:
The car may as well have Max' name on it. It's designed for Max.
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I am sure it is and it does make sense. RB has been built around Max for the last 7 years. The trick would be to find someone that can adapt to how the car is setup. Which is probably why Danny Ric makes sense to partner with Max.
 
dotdan said:
I am sure it is and it does make sense. RB has been built around Max for the last 7 years. The trick would be to find someone that can adapt to how the car is setup. Which is probably why Danny Ric makes sense to partner with Max.
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Daniel likely left for that very reason. I think Max (like most drivers) has a fairly unique driving style. I don't think it's that easy to find another driver who can drive that car as well as the one it's designed for.
 
Can someone maybe give us a link to how a car is build for a specific driver? Not just your own opinion, some technical stuff. I mean a fast car is a fast car and a slow car is a slow car, no matter who the driver is.
Yes some drivers drive a bit more smooth and others like late breaking, but man I take this car being build for a specific driver with a pinch of salt, and probably more with a pinch of sour grapes from Verstappen haters.
 
lkpat said:
I worry for Charles. I worry that he's picking up bad habits at Ferrari - having to deal with that car.
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Yeah, I feel sorry for Clucky. I get the feeling that in the right car he'd drive circles around both Max and Lewis.
 
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