F1 2023

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Massa steps up legal challenge over lost 2008 F1 world title

www.autosport.com

Massa acted on information from former F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone, who suggested that knowledge of the controversial 2008 Singapore GP 'crashgate' was available early enough for action to be taken before the result of the championship was made final.

In March Ecclestone was quoted in an interview by F1-insider saying the result of the Singapore race, in which Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crashed to helped Renault team-mate Fernando Alonso win, could have been thrown out, which would have swung the title race in favour of the Ferrari driver.

#6TimesFastestCarChampion

 

[Hamster]

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Tsunoda.

 

[Dave]

#6TimesFastestCarChampion

Maybe not, have you ever heard the term "the bigger picture"? If precedent is set to go back and appeal decisions based on admissions after the fact what do you might think might happen if another team decide to appeal based on the findings of a certain race director's errors a couple of years ago?

How revisiting the past with Felipe Massa could cause issues for F1's future

With Felipe Massa beginning 'Crashgate' legal action, the outcome of the case will be closely watched by interested parties.

www.planetf1.com

With other drivers and teams in the past having felt wronged by the outcome of title battles (Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton from two years ago in particular springing to mind, though they dropped their appeals into the result of Abu Dhabi), if – and it is a big ‘if’ – a precedent is set where a retroactive change in an outcome of a race or title is possible, other previous controversies may rear their heads again.

This is particularly prevalent in Mercedes’ case, given the admission of “human error” from the World Motor Sport Council into how the rules surrounding cars unlapping themselves were handled under the Safety Car that night, so if acknowledgements of wrongdoing come into play in Massa’s case, others may end up trying to argue for similar outcomes elsewhere.

 

[lkpat]

Maybe not, have you ever heard the term "the bigger picture"? If precedent is set to go back and appeal decisions based on admissions after the fact what do you might think might happen if another team decide to appeal based on the findings of a certain race director's errors a couple of years ago?

How revisiting the past with Felipe Massa could cause issues for F1's future

With Felipe Massa beginning 'Crashgate' legal action, the outcome of the case will be closely watched by interested parties.

www.planetf1.com

With other drivers and teams in the past having felt wronged by the outcome of title battles (Mercedes and Lewis Hamilton from two years ago in particular springing to mind, though they dropped their appeals into the result of Abu Dhabi), if – and it is a big ‘if’ – a precedent is set where a retroactive change in an outcome of a race or title is possible, other previous controversies may rear their heads again.

This is particularly prevalent in Mercedes’ case, given the admission of “human error” from the World Motor Sport Council into how the rules surrounding cars unlapping themselves were handled under the Safety Car that night, so if acknowledgements of wrongdoing come into play in Massa’s case, others may end up trying to argue for similar outcomes elsewhere.

That would be -1 +2 so 8x DWC.

 

[lkpat]

Verstappen sometimes questions if hectic F1 lifestyle "is still worth it"​

Formula 1 world champion Max Verstappen says he sometimes wonders if the championship's relentless time commitment "is still worth it" amid criticism on its expanding schedule.​

Verstappen sometimes questions if hectic F1 lifestyle "is still worth it"

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[caroper]

Somewhere in Paarl: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159074919481402&set=pcb.10159074921106402

Well that should beat the Checkers Delivery Service on Speed..........

 

[Dave]

Well that should beat the Checkers Delivery Service on Speed..........

But you'd need to have a massive catering budget to order through them.

 

[quovadis]

It’s race weeeeeeek

 

[lkpat]

It’s race weeeeeeek

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Ugh... this Scalextric track again. Can like to skip this one.

 

[Speedster]

Ugh... this Scalextric track again. Can like to skip this one.

So you won't be posting here again until next week?

 

[quovadis]

Ugh... this Scalextric track again. Can like to skip this one.

Not one of my preferred tracks but glad racing is back.

 

[Craig_]

It’s race weeeeeeek

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At last.

 

[Stuey74]

 

[quovadis]

 

[Harold_Crick]

Verstappen sometimes questions if hectic F1 lifestyle "is still worth it"​

Formula 1 world champion Max Verstappen says he sometimes wonders if the championship's relentless time commitment "is still worth it" amid criticism on its expanding schedule.​

Verstappen sometimes questions if hectic F1 lifestyle "is still worth it"

www.autosport.com

He's hinted multiple times in the past that F1 isn't the be all and end all for him. He is a big fan of endurance/GT3 racing for its competitiveness, which he races often via iRacing (racing simulator), and he is looking to launch an actual GT3 team for real-world competition. He has also mentioned racing at Le Mans.

There is a good chance that he does what Kimi and Fernando done, leave the sport after a few years, try out other forms of racing, and then decide whether he wants to return to F1.

 

[quovadis]

He's hinted multiple times in the past that F1 isn't the be all and end all for him. He is a big fan of endurance/GT3 racing for its competitiveness, which he races often via iRacing (racing simulator), and he is looking to launch an actual GT3 team for real-world competition. He has also mentioned racing at Le Mans.

There is a good chance that he does what Kimi and Fernando done, leave the sport after a few years, try out other forms of racing, and then decide whether he wants to return to F1.

Doubt he's going to leave the pinnacle of motorsport unless there's the possibility of a fall from grace.

 

[Speedster]

Doubt he's going to leave the pinnacle of motorsport unless there's the possibility of a fall from grace.

He's made numerous comments about the nature of the F1 lifestyle in the past. I could see someone opting for a less crazy traveling schedule when family (esp kids) become a thing.

 

[Harold_Crick]

Doubt he's going to leave the pinnacle of motorsport unless there's the possibility of a fall from grace.

His contract runs until 2028 and he'll be 31. He has already stated he has interests outside F1 he would like to pursue and he wants to do that while in his prime in order to be competitive there as well. He also isn't a fan of the increasingly bloated calendar.

“Also, I want to do other kinds of things, and race other disciplines,” he said on the Thursday in Abu Dhabi.

“F1 is a lot of fun. I’m having, of course, a lot of success. And I know my contract is of course until 2028.

“I’ll be 31 at that time. I’m probably still going to be competitive for a few more years. But in those years, I also probably want to experience other things and just have a bit more fun, with less of a schedule.”

Verstappen's hints that current Red Bull deal may be his last - The Race

Max Verstappen has hinted his Red Bull contract could be his last in F1. That raises the prospect, however slight, of him walking away aged 31

the-race.com

 

[Harold_Crick]

He's made numerous comments about the nature of the F1 lifestyle in the past. I could see someone opting for a less crazy traveling schedule when family (esp kids) become a thing.

He gets on really well with Kelly's daughter, notably interrupting one of his live iRacing streams because she wanted to play with him, so I think family will definitely be on the cards for him.

 

[quovadis]

His contract runs until 2028

That's a lifetime in motorsport. Average F1 career spans 7 years currently - if Ham and Alonso leave it plummets to 5.