quovadis
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Haas strikes me as being budget-constrained. It's basically a 2 for 1 deal.
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lkpat
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Very likely the motivation.
I honestly think he will make a comeback this year. If he doesn't then he should just retire, cant blame a car for 3 years straight. Mercedes better pull their socks up, I see the first two races are on a Saturday this year
lkpat
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Yep, last year was the first time in 30 years we didn't see Lewis or Schumi win a race.I honestly think he will make a comeback this year. If he doesn't then he should just retire, cant blame a car for 3 years straight. Mercedes better pull their socks up, I see the first two races are on a Saturday this year
Schumi did 3 seasons without a win before calling it quits. Ironically also at Mercedes.
And Kimi
lkpat
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? Kimi's scored a win in less than half his 19 seasons he competed
Schumi had 15 years on the trot with at least one win (from year 2), Hamilton also 15 (from year 1).
Schumi had 4 seasons without a win, Hamilton two so far.
And look where he is now. Lewis should do the same if he fails to win a single race this year
lkpat
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Save the toking for after 5!
Tricky one I think. We don't really know if he still has it. No reason to think he wouldn't, other than age perhaps, but he's not really been in a race-winning car so it's difficult to say.
Hopefully this year the Merc is competitive. If it is and he's unable to win, then he should retire. If he is still racey, then maybe not.
Agree 100%, if he does not win a single race this year then either retire or get into a redbull and let's really see what he has to offer.
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Haas F1 is a billboard for Gene to market Haas CNC to a global audience. That is its primary function and on-track performance is secondary to this. They can fire everybody and bring in a whole new group of people, but the fact remains, Gene Haas treats his team like a billboard for his business.
They have no control over their manufacturing operations, if they have any manufacturing capacity at all (ironic when you consider what Haas CNC does). Everything is outsourced. Dallara design and build the chassis, Ferrari supply the PU/ICE, suspension and rear crash structure.
Gene has invested the bare minimum and as long as he can keep them team's head above water and he can continue to outsource his entire car to third parties, the team serves its purpose. If the budget cap did not exist and he couldn't get other people to put his car together, his bare minimum operation would've died years ago.
The real kicker here is Andretti, whom F1 teams are actively blocking, would probably do a far better job of competing in the sport than Haas, and would at least do it in the spirit of the sport, building their own car.
They have no control over their manufacturing operations, if they have any manufacturing capacity at all (ironic when you consider what Haas CNC does). Everything is outsourced. Dallara design and build the chassis, Ferrari supply the PU/ICE, suspension and rear crash structure.
Gene has invested the bare minimum and as long as he can keep them team's head above water and he can continue to outsource his entire car to third parties, the team serves its purpose. If the budget cap did not exist and he couldn't get other people to put his car together, his bare minimum operation would've died years ago.
The real kicker here is Andretti, whom F1 teams are actively blocking, would probably do a far better job of competing in the sport than Haas, and would at least do it in the spirit of the sport, building their own car.
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lkpat
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Age you say?
Nothing wrong with George... but, you know...
lkpat
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The kind of advantage RB has hasn't been seen for some time. I don't think it's going away before 2026.
Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton have won 67% of all races during their 9 years together in F1.
Wins since 2015
Verstappen & Hamilton - 124
Rest of F1 grid combined - 61
quovadis
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Can't say I disagree with you. The whole ten teams thing has never sat well with me. Imho there should be a route to F1 for new teams even if it means a team needs to navigate the lower formulas first earning points similar to how driver's earn an F1 super license. Obviously they also need to demonstrate whatever else F1 and the FIA stipulate the bare minimum is for a team too. As for doing the bare minimum there should be a performance clause that prevents a situation where a team enjoys the exposure but doesn't perform.
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It used to be that way. A lot of teams into the early 90s operated in the junior ranks before ''graduating'' to F1. Ironically, all of the current teams on the grid today with the exception of Haas can trace their roots to junior formulae.
- Toleman (the progenitor of Alpine) competed in Formula Ford and F2 before entering F1.
- Jordan (the progenitor of Aston Martin) started life in British F3, then moved to international F3000 before entering F1.
- Stewart (the progenitor of Red Bull) started life in British F3 with a team run by Jackie's son, Paul. Then they entered F3000 before finally using Paul's team as a platform to enter F1.
- Tyrrell (the progenitor of Mercedes) started out with Ken Tyrrell running his own F3 team as a driver. He retired and dropped down to running Formula Junior cars for other drivers. Then BRM asked him to run their F2 team before he finally stepped up into F1 with his own team.
- Williams started out with Frank Williams running a car in F2 for his mate Piers Courage. Then they graduated to F1 with various customer cars. After Courage's death, he continued to run customer cars in F1 for other drivers, teamed up with Walter Wolf for a bit as co-owners before Williams was established as a bona fide F1 team and constructor.
- Minardi (the progenitor of AlphaTauri) started out as an F2 team before entering F1.
- Sauber started out in sporstcar racing. While not open-wheel, they developed their own chassis in sportscar racing so they came in to F1 with engineering experience.
- Bruce McLaren first entered his own cars in the Tasman Series, a regional Australian-New Zealand series run to the F1-specs of the time. Then it was off to F1.
- Ferrari, well, they were there from the beginning and prior to the existence of F1, Enzo Ferrari entered various Italian races before running Alfa-Romeos in the European Grand Prix Championship (precursor to F1).
Times have changed though. The costs and engineering expertise required have effectively cut off the progression ladder in to F1. There are teams in F2 with pedigree who would have in a previous era attempted the jump - DAMS, Campos, ART and Prema - but they just don't have the funds and in-house engineering facilities/expertise.
cr@zydude
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Great post but it's also worth adding that lower formula used to allow teams to design and build their own cars. Today, lower formula are almost all spec series.
Dave
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Who thinks Haas is a nice guy?
www.planetf1.com
Sky F1’s Craig Slater said Guenther Steiner was not given the chance to say his goodbyes to the Haas personnel after his shock exit, with his growing popularity and subsequent projects flagged up as potential contributors.
Haas dropped the bombshell statement on January 10 to confirm that Steiner, who had been with the team even before their F1 debut in 2016 by laying the key foundations, had left the American outfit.
In the same statement, his replacement as team principal was confirmed as long-serving trackside engineering director Ayao Komatsu.
Steiner had become one of the most well-known and popular team bosses on the grid in recent years – his funny, no-nonsense demeanour making him a key character in Netflix’s hit F1 docuseries Drive to Survive – with Sky F1 commentator David Croft saying Formula 1 has lost a “massive character”.
“Firstly, it’s Gene Haas’ team, and Guenther Steiner was getting the lion’s share of the attention, and I’m sure that didn’t go down hugely well with the team owner,” said Croft.
“But that’s no reason to get rid of somebody. Their performance on-track last year, might have been part of the picture as well.
“Great on a Saturday, in terms of the way that Nico Hulkenberg, for instance, managed to get into the top 10 in qualifying, but then part of the reason for their great qualifying performances undermines their performance on the track on a Sunday, so they would go backwards through the field.
“And that for an owner like Gene Haas was probably not acceptable, finishing bottom of the table. That’s not what Gene Haas would want, so Guenther I think has paid the price for that.
“He [Steiner] has got other business interests, I’m sure he will be absolutely fine in that respect, but Formula 1 has lost a massive character, a very popular character, and someone who transcended the sport somewhat.
“He was number three team principal I think behind Christian Horner and Toto Wolff [in terms of publicity] and that’s good for the sport, that the fans want to associate themselves with a team like Haas, because they really like what Guenther stands for and that’s the underdog taking it to the big boys.
“I really think we have lost a great character around the paddock and one who I hope returns in another guise somewhere in the future.”
Sky F1 correspondent Slater, who revealed that Steiner did not even get the chance to say goodbye to his Haas colleagues, suggested concerns were perhaps growing in the Haas camp regarding Steiner’s extra projects, such as his book ‘Surviving to Drive’, plus his CBS interactions over a potential comedy show role, while the team was floundering.
Brutal details emerge on savage Guenther Steiner dismissal at Haas
Sky F1's Craig Slater said Guenther Steiner was not given the chance to say his goodbyes to the Haas personnel after his shock exit.
www.planetf1.com
Sky F1’s Craig Slater said Guenther Steiner was not given the chance to say his goodbyes to the Haas personnel after his shock exit, with his growing popularity and subsequent projects flagged up as potential contributors.
Haas dropped the bombshell statement on January 10 to confirm that Steiner, who had been with the team even before their F1 debut in 2016 by laying the key foundations, had left the American outfit.
In the same statement, his replacement as team principal was confirmed as long-serving trackside engineering director Ayao Komatsu.
Steiner had become one of the most well-known and popular team bosses on the grid in recent years – his funny, no-nonsense demeanour making him a key character in Netflix’s hit F1 docuseries Drive to Survive – with Sky F1 commentator David Croft saying Formula 1 has lost a “massive character”.
“Firstly, it’s Gene Haas’ team, and Guenther Steiner was getting the lion’s share of the attention, and I’m sure that didn’t go down hugely well with the team owner,” said Croft.
“But that’s no reason to get rid of somebody. Their performance on-track last year, might have been part of the picture as well.
“Great on a Saturday, in terms of the way that Nico Hulkenberg, for instance, managed to get into the top 10 in qualifying, but then part of the reason for their great qualifying performances undermines their performance on the track on a Sunday, so they would go backwards through the field.
“And that for an owner like Gene Haas was probably not acceptable, finishing bottom of the table. That’s not what Gene Haas would want, so Guenther I think has paid the price for that.
“He [Steiner] has got other business interests, I’m sure he will be absolutely fine in that respect, but Formula 1 has lost a massive character, a very popular character, and someone who transcended the sport somewhat.
“He was number three team principal I think behind Christian Horner and Toto Wolff [in terms of publicity] and that’s good for the sport, that the fans want to associate themselves with a team like Haas, because they really like what Guenther stands for and that’s the underdog taking it to the big boys.
“I really think we have lost a great character around the paddock and one who I hope returns in another guise somewhere in the future.”
Sky F1 correspondent Slater, who revealed that Steiner did not even get the chance to say goodbye to his Haas colleagues, suggested concerns were perhaps growing in the Haas camp regarding Steiner’s extra projects, such as his book ‘Surviving to Drive’, plus his CBS interactions over a potential comedy show role, while the team was floundering.
quovadis
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Haas probably doesn’t either.
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