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daveza said:
Has anyone actually asked Vettel if he wants to come back?
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Yeah, he issued a generic PR answer which I take as "it would have to be the right offer". If he was not keen, he would have made that clear. He also confirmed that he and Toto are in contact.
 
I am seriously doubting if people on this thread know F1.
Alonso is old and will never win a championship again.
Vettel is old and will never win a championship again
Hamilton is old and will never win a championship again

The only way any of them will win again is by some miracle they end a in a Jenson Button situation. Get into a car that is way faster than the other and have a mediocre teammate.

We have seen this with Shumi and other drivers when they old. They have experience and can help a team build, but winning a championship, driving on the edge the whole time, is a bit far fetched.

F1 racing is like competitive gaming. Once you hit 30 you going backwards, maybe even earlier. The days for F1 drivers only joining at 25-30 years are long gone. They getting younger every year.
 
Speedster said:
Are you saying Max can only win in a car that's vastly superior to his rivals?
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His current car is vastly superior to anyone else's. That car even makes Perez look fast. All I'm saying is that with that car he will definitely get there.
 
Obieone said:
If you can get past the accent well worth the watch, this guy gets it spot on.
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Good video. Peter Windsor also did a Max driving style analysis last year which explained how and why he can get so much out of that car.

He really is just a phenomenal driver. Definitely levels above everyone on the grid at the moment.
 
while I do not like max at all. I want to give my 2c.
he is a good driver. and he has a car under him that is miles better than any other car.
he has been in the best car on the grid on pure numbers since 2021. the fact that the 2021 season was as close as it was shows that he is only a good driver not the best driver.
4 of Shumi's 7 titles were in a car that was just better than the rest of the field and 3 were in a good car with competition.
4 of LH's titles were in a superior car (2014,2015,2017,2020) for 2018 and 2019 Ferrari /RB were challenging and 2008 the Ferrari was better but Massa wasn't

for Max while his ability is there he still has not had a year where he did not have the fastest car where he ended up champion. will that come? I don't think so. not while Newy is at RB. when we get to the 2026 regulations and Merc and Ferrari are fighting at the front along with Mclaren and Other Merc powered cars while Red Bull takes 2 years to get their engine sorted purely on a reliability point, I dont see Max staying then I see him going for the tripple crown.
 
Max is easily the best driver on the grid right now and that shouldn't even be debated.

People are quick to forget that he nearly beat Bottas in 2020 and won two races in straight fights against both Mercs that year. People seem to have also forgotten how often Merc had to use pit strategy to cut him off, forcing Max to race against both the under- and overcut with zero help from Albon in the 2nd Red Bull. No other car-driver combination came close to those Mercs, but Max.

And I'm not a Max fan.
 
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dotdan said:
He really is just a phenomenal driver.
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Compared to Perez in the same machinery I agree - phenomenal. Anyone would be a phenomenal driver in that car imho - perhaps not as phenomenal as Max though. Heck, Perez in his first 2.5 years doubled his total points tally of the entire decade before he drove that car and increased his F1 win tally 6 fold in his 30s.
 
Baxteen said:
while I do not like max at all. I want to give my 2c.
he is a good driver. and he has a car under him that is miles better than any other car.
he has been in the best car on the grid on pure numbers since 2021. the fact that the 2021 season was as close as it was shows that he is only a good driver not the best driver.
4 of Shumi's 7 titles were in a car that was just better than the rest of the field and 3 were in a good car with competition.
4 of LH's titles were in a superior car (2014,2015,2017,2020) for 2018 and 2019 Ferrari /RB were challenging and 2008 the Ferrari was better but Massa wasn't

for Max while his ability is there he still has not had a year where he did not have the fastest car where he ended up champion. will that come? I don't think so. not while Newy is at RB. when we get to the 2026 regulations and Merc and Ferrari are fighting at the front along with Mclaren and Other Merc powered cars while Red Bull takes 2 years to get their engine sorted purely on a reliability point, I dont see Max staying then I see him going for the tripple crown.
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HUH?
2021 Perez was only 4th in the championship, even behind Bottas. But you say he was in the fastest car. They did not win the constructors.
2022 Perez was also not 2nd in championship. But you say their car is miles ahead of the rest?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
HUH?
2021 Perez was only 4th in the championship, even behind Bottas. But you say he was in the fastest car. They did not win the constructors.
2022 Perez was also not 2nd in championship. But you say their car is miles ahead of the rest?
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Yeah 2021 and 2022 the RB was not way ahead of the pack. In 2021 the Merc arguably was still the better race day car. 2022 the Ferrari was the faster car but very unreliable. Only towards the end of 2022 did RB bring upgrades that started to push the car ahead of the pack.

Yes 2023 and probably 2024 the RB is clearly ahead of the rest of the grid ito race day pace and tire management etc. But you still need an exceptional driver like Max to really bring the most out of that car.
 
As much as RB and Max denies it, that car is built around Max's driving style. Perez showcased last year how difficult it is to drive that car. If you can't match Max's style, you won't be able to harness the full ability and it will look pretty much on par with Ferrari and Mclaren. I think Perez has found a better setup this year that suits his style better, but he wont be as quick as Max.
 
quovadis said:
Compared to Perez in the same machinery I agree - phenomenal. Anyone would be a phenomenal driver in that car imho - perhaps not as phenomenal as Max though. Heck, Perez in his first 2.5 years doubled his total points tally of the entire decade before he drove that car and increased his F1 win tally 6 fold in his 30s.
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LOL you know that bar his first few years as a young driver, Perez has always beaten his teammates till he came up against Max?
You know that in 2020 before he got the RB seat he came 4th in the championship with a Racing Point? Beating both the Ferrari's, the McLarens, Albon in a Red Bull.
Sainz, Ricciardo, Norris, Vettel. Leclerc, Gasly, Ocon. He beat them all in a Racing Point BWT.

All you Max haters want to discredit Perez just to get a stab into Max.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL you know that bar his first few years as a young driver, Perez has always beaten his teammates till he came up against Max?
You know that in 2020 before he got the RB seat he came 4th in the championship with a Racing Point? Beating both the Ferrari's, the McLarens, Albon in a Red Bull.
Sainz, Ricciardo, Norris, Vettel. Leclerc, Gasly, Ocon. He beat them all in a Racing Point BWT.

All you Max haters want to discredit Perez just to get a stab into Max.
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Lol. He doubled his decade of points out of his prime in 2.5 yrs in that rocket...
 
I think what you feel about a particular driver or team depends highly on your entry point into the sport.

I started watching F1 in 2020 again after 2 decades. Max seemed like the underdog and in worse car to Mercedes but delivering excellent performances. Most of the time coming 3rd but much faster than his team mate. I knew nothing about anyone in the sport, other than Lewis and Mercedes had been winning for a number of years. It was easy to start rooting for Max. No-one else - other than Max and Lewis - really stood out, aside from Kimi and his humour.

2021 felt like RB and Mercedes were extremely close in pace through most of the year. Maybe Red Bull had a slight advantage early on, but Mercedes was definitely the faster car in those 4 or 5 last races. Both drivers were excellent though, although earlier on in the season Lewis made more mistakes.

Now, after the dominance of Red Bull, I'm wondering who the next challenger will be. I guess that's the most exciting part of the sport for me right now. 2025 will probably be a banger year. And then the regs will mess everything up again. I actually preferred the previous round of cars with smaller wheels and seemingly more nimble.
 
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