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Jean Claude Vaaldamme
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Another Ramadan argument from you?
It makes no sense.
That applies to almost every driver who start at weaker teams and then one day get a drive for a good team.
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Ahhhh so it is the car. Cool.
Not sure why we have to have this argument every day 
Anyone in that Red Bull would be at the front of the pack. The days they aren't is the anomaly. Similar to some of the Merc years of dominance. The car is just faster, that's a fact.
But, it still takes excellent driving to get the most out of it. Max is driving on the ragged edge magnificently. He is the best driver on the grid right now. The only other drivers who theoretically could compete would be Hamilton, Norris and LeClerc IMO. But Hamilton is a bit off form, he's making mistakes and struggling to really get the most out of that car - easy to see when you see George's current performances in comparison. Norris is there, but has a few mistakes now and then. Max doesn't, he just drives the wheels off the thing every time.
Lewis at his best would be great to watch, but there's not a single driver in the history of the sport who would get that Merc in a position to race for wins. The Ferrari is the only car which could potentially, maybe, in the right circumstances, fight for a win. But it's not really fast enough.
I think 2025 will be more of the same and then 2026 it might get competitive again.
Anyone in that Red Bull would be at the front of the pack. The days they aren't is the anomaly. Similar to some of the Merc years of dominance. The car is just faster, that's a fact.
But, it still takes excellent driving to get the most out of it. Max is driving on the ragged edge magnificently. He is the best driver on the grid right now. The only other drivers who theoretically could compete would be Hamilton, Norris and LeClerc IMO. But Hamilton is a bit off form, he's making mistakes and struggling to really get the most out of that car - easy to see when you see George's current performances in comparison. Norris is there, but has a few mistakes now and then. Max doesn't, he just drives the wheels off the thing every time.
Lewis at his best would be great to watch, but there's not a single driver in the history of the sport who would get that Merc in a position to race for wins. The Ferrari is the only car which could potentially, maybe, in the right circumstances, fight for a win. But it's not really fast enough.
I think 2025 will be more of the same and then 2026 it might get competitive again.
Yea I guess we'll see if Lewis can get up to speed or not. I suppose from Ferrari's perspective, having a 7x WDC driving for them is a great PR move. Unless he doesn't perform and then it's just yet another bad strategy call.
Same, I think last year he started to come into his own at the Ferrari team and was a bit more consistent that Le Clerc at the end. If it wasn't for Vegas, he would have probably been ahead of him on the drivers table. But he has options at least. Aston and Merc probably being the two likeliest options. I see his team were in talks with Toto last weekend.
Yeah, and LH has a long history with Fred plus he always said he wants to race in a Ferrari at some point. Makes sense to use the last year or 2 of his career to make that happen. For Ferrari it was 100% a PR move more than a driver move. I can't see him beating Le Clerc tbh.
I agree with you to a certain extent, however I think there's still life in the old dog yet, I just hope him and Le Clerc are allowed to race each other. Judging by what we've seen from the last couple of seasons though,if the car is not good, his motivation will slip and Le Clerc will get the better of him.
I hope it pays off for them. The past couple of years Hamilton seemed larger than his team and I'm curious to see how tolerant Ferrari will be. But they obviously know what they're signing up for.
A lot of Celebs drive Ferrari's so I am sure he will garner much attention from them on the grid walks. They are going to score from a marketing point of view.
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Of all the brands in F1, the one that isn't hard up for marketing is Ferrari.
If anything, it is Lewis that wants to drive for Ferrari because it is...Ferrari.
Even if their bad years they would attract the best. Prost and Mansell in the 80s. They lured Jean Alesi away from Williams in the 90s. Senna had spoken of driivng for them to end his career at a time when they were utter garbage. They lured Michael having won only 2 races in 5 years. Raikkonen. Alonso. Vettel. The who-is-who of F1 has driven for them and will continue to want to drive for them.
Everybody knows Ferrari. Everybody wants one. Everybody wants to drive for them.
If anything, it is Lewis that wants to drive for Ferrari because it is...Ferrari.
Even if their bad years they would attract the best. Prost and Mansell in the 80s. They lured Jean Alesi away from Williams in the 90s. Senna had spoken of driivng for them to end his career at a time when they were utter garbage. They lured Michael having won only 2 races in 5 years. Raikkonen. Alonso. Vettel. The who-is-who of F1 has driven for them and will continue to want to drive for them.
Everybody knows Ferrari. Everybody wants one. Everybody wants to drive for them.
Damn bro, if you get any harder you're going to give yourself blood pressure issues.
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Pointing out the obvious that the brand synonymous with F1 doesn't need to work too hard in order to market itself.
That's fair enough. If you think getting Lewis has nothing to do with marketing then just keep on keeping on man.
its Marketing or he is the statistical G.O.A.T and any team would do anything in their power to sign him even if it is just for 2 seasons.
it can even be both, but it cant be neither.
Agreed.
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"Last year, Ferrari produced 13,221 vehicles, up 18.5% over 2021. Demand still far exceeds supply, with dealers saying the wait for a new Purosangue SUV and other models is now at three years or more. Many buyers say they can't even get on the waiting list for a car, since there is simply not enough production.22 Aug 2023"
Yeah right, keep telling yourself Ferrari needs marketing.
Yeah right, keep telling yourself Ferrari needs marketing.
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And yet Ferrari went after Hamilton, not the other way around…
How Hamilton’s sensational move to Ferrari panned out
Last spring, sources say Lewis Hamilton received a call. It was Ferrari chairman John Elkann. This wasn’t completely out of the blue. Ferrari had come calling before – and Hamilton knew Elkann well. They had become friends following several meetings.
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Last spring, sources say Lewis Hamilton received a call. It was Ferrari chairman John Elkann. This wasn’t completely out of the blue. Ferrari had come calling before – and Hamilton knew Elkann well. They had become friends following several meetings.
During the call, it is believed Elkann made another play for F1’s most famous driver. They laid their cards on the table.
The Ferrari board had reiterated that they wanted to see Hamilton in red, ideally for 2024, but if not at some point before the seven-time world champion hung up his helmet – and Elkann was making the pitch.
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Yet he was sowing the seeds years ago already?And yet Ferrari went after Hamilton, not the other way around…
How Hamilton’s sensational move to Ferrari panned out
Last spring, sources say Lewis Hamilton received a call. It was Ferrari chairman John Elkann. This wasn’t completely out of the blue. Ferrari had come calling before – and Hamilton knew Elkann well. They had become friends following several meetings.
Last spring, sources say Lewis Hamilton received a call. It was Ferrari chairman John Elkann. This wasn’t completely out of the blue. Ferrari had come calling before – and Hamilton knew Elkann well. They had become friends following several meetings.
During the call, it is believed Elkann made another play for F1’s most famous driver. They laid their cards on the table.
The Ferrari board had reiterated that they wanted to see Hamilton in red, ideally for 2024, but if not at some point before the seven-time world champion hung up his helmet – and Elkann was making the pitch.
Lewis Hamilton unsure why 'dream' Ferrari move never materialised as he talks F1 and when he'll stop
For everyone thats a dream position to be in. It was just never really fully on the cards for me. Lewis Hamilton speaks to Sky Sports in Italy about Ferrari and when hell call time on his F1 career
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