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FlashSA said:
I wanted to get all my facts first before giving this safety car opinion.

Let me start by saying that last night was the happiest I have been for a Max P2 (read: Max non win) - so stoked for Lando to get his first win. Maclaren certainly had superior pace and tyre deg over everyone else in the field - hats off to them and their big Miami upgrade. Lando finally got a truckload of luck and it paid off (safety car).

Now onto my opinion (after having watched the tracker and onboards on F1TV again). The safety car error was responsible for Lando being able to pit and retain the lead. The safety car should never have picked up Max and because it did, it increased the gap between Max and Lando from the 11second when the safety car was thrown, to over 30 seconds when Lando exited the pitlane. Why? Because Lando was just past the pit exit when the SC was thrown, so he had clean air to do a full lap around while Max had to sit at SC speed around the whole lap after being picked up at corner 3/4. This allowed Lando to build a massive space for a pitstop.

If the safety car had waited at pit exit and rather entered the track during the Lando pitstop, it would then have picked up either Lando or Max - but it would have been a very tight pitstop race with the 11 second gap that had existed before the yellows and SC.

Now, let's say Max had jumped Lando during the Lando pitstop. Would he have held onto the lead? Debatable because Lando's 7 second winning margin is telling - there is a very real chance that Max may have been overtaken by Lando.

Nevertheless, Lando had the pace, he had the luck of the SC (not the SC mistake, just genuine luck of staying out long until a SC) and he drove like a machine. Well earned and great to see all of the drivers congratulating him.

Side note - my 2 hour afternoon nap yesterday is paying dividends today.

Highlight - Max in the cooldown room watching his torpedo team-mate almost shunt him (Sky F'ed this up royally with the Ted interview, thank goodness I re-watched the whole thing on F1TV)!
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Yeah that SC was another example of an FIA screw up. Seems the consensus is that it wouldn't have changed the outcome based on Lando and Max's pace but no way to no for sure.

Edit: Buxton weighed in on it too:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1787287236515406218
 
acidrain said:
That 10s penalty for KMag was a bit harsh imo and that's just debating the penalty since Sainz didn't get 10s for also causing a collission.

I personally think seargent was to blame there.
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How so? Sargeant was ahead, it's all on Kmag ... below is just before the contact.

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How more many wins should McLaren get before we can become obnoxious prats thumping ours chests? :)

Still so stoked with the result, great being back at the rigth end of the grid
 
I see there are some reports that suggest Max did pick up some floor damage when he took out the cone. Regardless, he was not happy with the setup all weekend long so perhaps it did make a difference in the end or perhaps not. Key will be to see the Mclaren's performance at Imola.
 
Goosfrabba said:
How more many wins should McLaren get before we can become obnoxious prats thumping ours chests? :)

Still so stoked with the result, great being back at the rigth end of the grid
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I will take this one any day and beat my chest proudly. They are doing a great job as a team compared to where they were last year this time. From back of the grid to constantly being on podiums in a year is a great story. I am tipping them to be challenging RB next year for championship.
 
dotdan said:
I will take this one any day and beat my chest proudly. They are doing a great job as a team compared to where they were last year this time. From back of the grid to constantly being on podiums in a year is a great story. I am tipping them to be challenging RB next year for championship.
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I genuinely believed we'd win a race, but expected it to be more end of the year.

Yes, a conveniently time safety car helped, but seeing Lando pull away and build a sizeable gap to Max is still something to chear about. How often do we see Max overtake after a safety car and then lap a second quicker than everyone else?

We can definitely challenge Ferrari for 2nd in the constructors
 
Goosfrabba said:
I genuinely believed we'd win a race, but expected it to be more end of the year.

Yes, a conveniently time safety car helped, but seeing Lando pull away and build a sizeable gap to Max is still something to chear about. How often do we see Max overtake after a safety car and then lap a second quicker than everyone else?

We can definitely challenge Ferrari for 2nd in the constructors
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That's the difference clean air makes. If you can get ahead of Max and get out of DRS then there's a real shot for any of the top teams...
 
End of the day some of us told you that that Red Bull is not that fast, it is mostly Max and when he has an off day, someone else wins, not Perez.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Eish this thread is going to be silent the next race when Red Bull(OK Max) and Ferrari is ahead of the Mclarens again
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Probably but at least there is some hope as the Mclaren did have upgrades and Max was competing (compared to his previous losses where it was due mechanical etc) and Lando dropped him a bit. I was expecting that Redbull to come flying past.

Did Lando break the 1s DRS gap before DRS was enabled?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Eish this thread is going to be silent the next race when Red Bull(OK Max) and Ferrari is ahead of the Mclarens again
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Jeez you really are a piece of work. Nobody is gloating about McLaren and saying they're better than RB and Ferrari, the okes are just happy for the team.

Just let us be to enjoy it, having been tortured with underperformance for years...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Jeez you really are a piece of work. Nobody is gloating about McLaren and saying they're better than RB and Ferrari, the okes are just happy for the team.

Just let us be to enjoy it, having been tortured with underperformance for years...
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Yeah there is no delusion that the RB is still probably a good 2-3 tenths quicker than the rest of the pack. But, like with Australia, they will have off days. Mechanical failure or damage or just not configured correctly. Other teams will jump on those occasions.

I never thought that RB was going to have another 2023. It is just unrealistic for a team to do that two years in a row. I think they (Max) will have a 60-70% win rate by December.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
That's the difference clean air makes. If you can get ahead of Max and get out of DRS then there's a real shot for any of the top teams...
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When Max is ahead in the other races and he is 20 to 30 seconds ahead of the others, does the driver in 2nd place not have clean air? It's not that McLaren was faster but more that Max was slower.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Jeez you really are a piece of work. Nobody is gloating about McLaren and saying they're better than RB and Ferrari, the okes are just happy for the team.

Just let us be to enjoy it, having been tortured with underperformance for years...
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Jeez you a cry baby. Ferrari fans get tortured for decades but we don't pee in our nappies.
 
Shi said:
How so? Sargeant was ahead, it's all on Kmag ... below is just before the contact.

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Yes I watched the race and heard the findings which was essentially his right of way, but he (Seargeant) came across as if he didn't know Kmag was there which he should've known because they were battling it out before this turn.

Just before the corner he was practically alongside him. Seargeant then moved right squeezing him into the corner but was too late at that point.

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SAR could've carried on taking the outside corner and it was his fault he was on the outside because he went in to the previous corner too hot.

To go and penalise what looks to me like just normal racing (these scenarios happen all the time) and to do so with 10 seconds is harsh. Not the first time the stewards made the wrong call.
 
Max with the "If, If, If... If my mom had balls she would be my dad" on whether the SC cost him the victory.

Gotta love his ways. Same come win or lose.
 
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