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dotdan said:
I don't agree, I think this is the first time since 2021 that he has had genuine pressure from another driver.
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and i dont think it was crazy

norris was pushing

if you see the videos of others overtaking on that corner max went into the racing line

just norris was there

this is fun racing why do they make a big thing out of it

max is in the lead defending

overtake him somewhere else
 
UrBaN963 said:
I think you know you're being a little silly here. Nobody has said any of the above. Passions run high when our favourite star doesn't get the result we hope for, but these sorts of statements are a little silly.

We all want fair racing and solid results. When it is anything but that there is bound to be argument, disagreement and chastisement.
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I will ask this.
Do we hear almost every race some driver complaining on the radio that the driver in front of him moved under breaking?
All drivers do this.
Because they now collided there is a big uproar. And because its a British driver.
Then I ask again, In the future when we see other drivers moving under breaking, will you all condemn it with the same vigor as now?
 
dotdan said:
My take on this, both drivers absolutely on the limit here. It started with that awful pitstop putting pressure on Max. Lando smelling blood getting b & w flag for race limits and was most likely on his way to getting a 5 second penalty. This being in his mind was pushing very hard with Max defending very hard.

Ultimately, Max veering to the left to close the door was a step too far imo. I think the pressure of the win, Austria and the car/pitstop issues caused him to make that judgement error.

But, Lando was most likely never going to win anyway with a penalty incoming with 6 laps to go and him still pushing that hard into those corners was also not the best idea. Choose your battles more smartly.

This is racing, Max is a hard driver and Lando is starting to climb out of his shell. There will be many more like these. Sometimes Max will be at fault, sometimes Lando. But we are here for it. It is fun and entertaining.
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last race ..norris almost pushed max into the grass

norris was given the penalty few seconds before that corner iirc
 
(in my opinion)

this bull (excuse the pun) about max only being able to drive in the fastest car is gunk really.
he is a phenomenal driver, as is Lando.

he is doing things with the car that perez isnt. and checo is no slouch. (apparently)
 
AfricanTech said:
Looking forward to Silverstone.

Proper needle now between the two best - none of this chummy stuff
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i dont think max has anything to worry about with norris ...he is a challenger but wont stop him from winning the title

but will be fun racing

the only reason norris got some action here was cause RB furked up the pitstop
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL there was not a car in that space, if there was they would have collided. Show us the clips where Lando was alongside Max in those corners when he divebombed. Oly time he came close to being alongside Max was after Max already turned into the corner and he came from the back with too much speed.
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You keep on fighting the good fight. Commentators wrong, race director was wrong, stewards were wrong, everyone wrong except Max/RB.
 
a little rant..
blimey these english commentators need to shudup about george.
he won. but it was much of a "right place right time" thing.
he didnt really have any outstanding moments.
 
I.am.Sam said:
i dont think max has anything to worry about with norris ...he is a challenger but wont stop him from winning the title

but will be fun racing

the only reason norris got some action here was cause RB furked up the pitstop
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agree. but i think it will probably be stickier than max anticipates
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
I will ask this.
Do we hear almost every race some driver complaining on the radio that the driver in front of him moved under breaking?
All drivers do this.
Because they now collided there is a big uproar. And because its a British driver.
Then I ask again, In the future when we see other drivers moving under breaking, will you all condemn it with the same vigor as now?
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Moving under braking is never okay, as it is a rule violation. Often nothing comes of it, this time it led to Norris changing his approach because he knew Max would move under braking (per Norris).

I'm not sure why you keep mentioning this British driver nonsense. We are not Sky F1, we are South Africans. There's no British bias here, we support who we support. If that driver happens to be British then so be it. Many people support Charles or Max as their favourite. Are you saying some South Africans have a Monagasque bias? It's silly. You keep undermining your own points with these silly outbursts. It detracts from any point you're trying to make because your statements are so hyperbolic.

And yes, of course there's an uproar because they collided. Drivers aren't supposed to collide, so when they do it becomes a talking point and blame gets apportioned. In this case, it got apportioned to Max as he was at fault. All drivers make mistakes, yesterday was his day to do it it. It's okay, it happens. It'll happen again. It is what it is.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL there was not a car in that space, if there was they would have collided. Show us the clips where Lando was alongside Max in those corners when he divebombed. Oly time he came close to being alongside Max was after Max already turned into the corner and he came from the back with too much speed.
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The moving rule is not at the turn in phase. It's under braking.
The note said: "Article 27.5 of the Sporting Regulations states that '...no car may be driven...in a manner which could be potentially dangerous to other drivers...', furthermore, Article 27.8 prohibits any manoeuvre '...liable to hinder other drivers, such as...any abnormal change of direction'.

"With this in mind, and with the exception of any move permitted by Article 27.6, any change of direction under braking which results in another driver having to take evasive action will be considered abnormal and hence potentially dangerous to other drivers. Any such move will be reported to the stewards."

You're also only allowed one defensive move
20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason
20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted.


Max was pushing it, Lando had a case.
 
imaskidaddle said:
agree. but i think it will probably be stickier than max anticipates
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mclaren are making this season fun

after max win in the 1st race i thought this season is over

and max has been dominating , what has mclaren been doing

a p1 here and there for quali and one win

max has been consistent at the top

mclaren has been consistent in number 2
 
Sinbad said:
The moving rule is not at the turn in phase. It's under braking.
The note said: "Article 27.5 of the Sporting Regulations states that '...no car may be driven...in a manner which could be potentially dangerous to other drivers...', furthermore, Article 27.8 prohibits any manoeuvre '...liable to hinder other drivers, such as...any abnormal change of direction'.

"With this in mind, and with the exception of any move permitted by Article 27.6, any change of direction under braking which results in another driver having to take evasive action will be considered abnormal and hence potentially dangerous to other drivers. Any such move will be reported to the stewards."

You're also only allowed one defensive move
20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason
20.3 More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted.


Max was pushing it, Lando had a case.
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lando did have a case cause a few times max moved under braking into the line

but again was it the racing line that he moved into
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Pressure from a British driver?
2022 there was much more hard racing than now.
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Yeah sorry, don't really get the British driver thing. Lando could have been Chinese for all I care. He is pushing Max and that is a good thing. 2022 perhaps a few races early on, but so far 2024 has been and probably will continue to be close racing between the two until the end.

I still think Max wins it. He is the best driver on the grid but having some competition is good.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Yea, but he always has a reason for being slow. There's always a something. He's never just fast anymore.
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Now that they will be fighting for the championship next year (maybe this year as well), Perez needs to go, cant have Max being the only one scoring for the team.
Piastri is becoming a threat and is a more consistent support driver than Checo
With Mercedes gaining traction and Ferrari that has burst of good weekends and Lewis in the seat, the championship for next year is definately on the line.
 
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