F1 2024

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

And by the power of black magic, somehow we're back to Hamilton.

I think I'll go make coffee and just work.

Yes like I said. Everyone and everything is fair game, except a British driver. You have been brainwashed by the mafia.
Ignoring the point I am making, rather defending a Brit that was used as example.

 

[quovadis]

So by that logic every company CEO who diddles his sexretary brings the whole company into disrepute?

In any corporate environment, yes and especially so if it cannot be resolved in private and goes public.

 

[UrBaN963]

So by that logic every company CEO who diddles his sexretary brings the whole company into disrepute?

Not necessarily. And I wouldn't say it brought the entirety of Red Bull Racing into disrepute. But it is certainly applicable to Horner. Being a very public face of the team, it's obvious why it got such media attention.

I guess the solution is to not be an unfaithful spouse, best way to avoid these sorts of scandals

 

[Baxteen]

so my take on the Max/Lando crash.

Lando's Track limit violations were forced errors by moving under braking at least 3 of the 5 that I saw.
and honestly if he had to go to the stewards and show he was taking avoiding action due to the way Max moved the penalty would have either gone away or moved to max. the way Max gets treated I think there would have just been no penalty for Max. he has been the Favorite for so long that they change the rules for him. just the past 6 pages of this thread has 3 examples mentioned of Max doing this same thing and videos of 2. no video posted in the last 6 pages of the LeCleck incident where max did the same thing. and not a single mention of an incident between Max and Lewis and there are 4 from my memory (Silverstone, Imola, Brazil sprint and Brazil race)

the contact was due to Max driving dangerously. if a driver needs to drive dangerously in order to get an advantage and win a race, he cannot be considered the greatest of all time.

if Max was great as everyone claims he is, he would have let Lando past before the detection point and then passed him again with DRS. you know the Way George let Lewis past and then past him. or the way Max did it in the sprint race. so we know he is capable of it, but he Chose violence.

the 10s Penalty is not hash enough, it shows Favoritism.

and for anyone who still thinks max is not in the wrong, watch any of those videos again and Pretend its Perez and not Max, or hell pretend its Lewis driving the redbull and come back and say that is fair racing.

it is important to be able to look at who we are a fan of and see fault in them. if you simply blindly believe someone is the best and can do no wrong then you are not a fan you are in a cult. only cult leaders are supposed to be ineffable.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

so my take on the Max/Lando crash.

Lando's Track limit violations were forced errors by moving under braking at least 3 of the 5 that I saw.
and honestly if he had to go to the stewards and show he was taking avoiding action due to the way Max moved the penalty would have either gone away or moved to max. the way Max gets treated I think there would have just been no penalty for Max. he has been the Favorite for so long that they change the rules for him. just the past 6 pages of this thread has 3 examples mentioned of Max doing this same thing and videos of 2. no video posted in the last 6 pages of the LeCleck incident where max did the same thing. and not a single mention of an incident between Max and Lewis and there are 4 from my memory (Silverstone, Imola, Brazil sprint and Brazil race)

the contact was due to Max driving dangerously. if a driver needs to drive dangerously in order to get an advantage and win a race, he cannot be considered the greatest of all time.

if Max was great as everyone claims he is, he would have let Lando past before the detection point and then passed him again with DRS. you know the Way George let Lewis past and then past him. or the way Max did it in the sprint race. so we know he is capable of it, but he Chose violence.

the 10s Penalty is not hash enough, it shows Favoritism.

and for anyone who still thinks max is not in the wrong, watch any of those videos again and Pretend its Perez and not Max, or hell pretend its Lewis driving the redbull and come back and say that is fair racing.

it is important to be able to look at who we are a fan of and see fault in them. if you simply blindly believe someone is the best and can do no wrong then you are not a fan you are in a cult. only cult leaders are supposed to be ineffable.

Fok lyk my die vliegtuig is al oor

 

[Sinbad]

the 10s Penalty is not hash enough, it shows Favoritism.

Bollocks.
There are plenty of precedents for a 10s penalty being given for taking another driver out of the race, even when the guilty party is unaffected

 

[quovadis]

the 10s Penalty is not hash enough, it shows Favoritism.

It's always a little ridiculous when a timed penalty given essentially has zero effect on the recipient. We've seen it a few times now.

 

[UrBaN963]

The 10s penalty is the de facto penalty now so I see no issue with that. It is a bit pointless given it had zero effect on the race, but in different circumstances that could be 3 places. That's more on those following than anything else.

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

so my take on the Max/Lando crash.

Lando's Track limit violations were forced errors by moving under braking at least 3 of the 5 that I saw.
and honestly if he had to go to the stewards and show he was taking avoiding action due to the way Max moved the penalty would have either gone away or moved to max. the way Max gets treated I think there would have just been no penalty for Max. he has been the Favorite for so long that they change the rules for him. just the past 6 pages of this thread has 3 examples mentioned of Max doing this same thing and videos of 2. no video posted in the last 6 pages of the LeCleck incident where max did the same thing. and not a single mention of an incident between Max and Lewis and there are 4 from my memory (Silverstone, Imola, Brazil sprint and Brazil race)

the contact was due to Max driving dangerously. if a driver needs to drive dangerously in order to get an advantage and win a race, he cannot be considered the greatest of all time.

if Max was great as everyone claims he is, he would have let Lando past before the detection point and then passed him again with DRS. you know the Way George let Lewis past and then past him. or the way Max did it in the sprint race. so we know he is capable of it, but he Chose violence.

the 10s Penalty is not hash enough, it shows Favoritism.

and for anyone who still thinks max is not in the wrong, watch any of those videos again and Pretend its Perez and not Max, or hell pretend its Lewis driving the redbull and come back and say that is fair racing.

it is important to be able to look at who we are a fan of and see fault in them. if you simply blindly believe someone is the best and can do no wrong then you are not a fan you are in a cult. only cult leaders are supposed to be ineffable.

So according to you Norris got his 3 times track limits violations and black and white flag, all in 1 lap behind Max?

 

[quovadis]

The 10s penalty is the de facto penalty now so I see no issue with that. It is a bit pointless given it had zero effect on the race, but in different circumstances that could be 3 places. That's more on those following than anything else.

Agreed. They really need to look at the system. Causing a collision resulting in an immediate retirement or retirement after reaching the pits should be a drive through imho.

 

[Sinbad]

Agreed. They really need to look at the system. Causing a collision resulting in an immediate retirement or retirement after reaching the pits should be a drive through imho.

Or even a 5-10sec stop and go
They should consider a redress system as well, where a driver who is taken out of a race either gets average points, or points according to position at the time.

 

[quovadis]

Or even a 5-10sec stop and go
They should consider a redress system as well, where a driver who is taken out of a race either gets average points, or points according to position at the time.

It would make sense that the penalty be upgraded to a stop and go (+ the original time penalty) if the car is retired and is at no fault.

The redress would be a tough one. You could win a championship by not pitting, leading the race and getting into a tangle with whoever is coming up from behind. Perhaps even make the penalty apply to the next race if it's not served in a pit stop.

 

[A3@MBB]

They should consider a redress system as well, where a driver who is taken out of a race either gets average points, or points according to position at the time.

The Hulk will let KMag take him out every race!

 

[Sinbad]

The Hulk will let KMag take him out every race!

haha special rules for teammates - if it's one team involved, then no redress

 

[Baxteen]

I think I did not word my statement correctly.
the 10s penalty is fair and should 100% be given, even though we can all see it was pointless.
what I am saying is there should be MORE penalties for moving under braking where it did not cause a collision.


at first I thought it should be the same as track limits where there should be a warning first and then a penalty based on number of infringements.
then I relaised all it takes is one dangerous move like that and two cars end up in the wall.

so if the stewards look at the incident and deem that it was a reactionary move then there should be a drive though penalty given immediately. and if the penalty can not be served it should be a DQ. a very harsh system like this is the only way to ensure the drivers respect the rules.
and this is not purely aimed at Max, even though he is the main culprit Stroll, Ocon and Tsunoda have done the same thing

 

[Jean Claude Vaaldamme]

Check the British bias - only 5s penalty and no uproar.

 

[Sinbad]

Check the British bias - only 5s penalty and no uproar.

Last year, 5 seconds was the prescribed penalty. It was changed this year.

 

[greg_SA]

What a race! Hard racing. Really enjoyed it. Both Lando and Max on the limit. Both pushing the boundaries, both got penalties.

I'm not going to get sucked into the drama... it is what it is.

I'm glad that there is probably a lot more hard racing ahead. Crashes are always unfortunate, and its a roll of the dice as to who gains from it.

 

[imaskidaddle]

leclerc was very mature in the post race interview regarding his misfortune in turn 1.

maybe stroll needs counseling on how to do these things.

 

[thestaggy]

I’d add that moving under breaking should be policed as vigilantly as track limits imho. Also these blocking moves when you purposefully have no hope of making the corner yourself is not racing.

Fine line here.

A block pass where you position your car in the middle of the corner has been a perfectly valid racing tactic for years.

Running deep and shoving someone wide/off the track, yeah, that is questionable. But then also, how do you tell if it was a mistake or on purpose? In a fight, naturally both drivers are going to try and brake later than the other, so if the lead car does end up running another car wide, they can just say they were braking late.