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quovadis said:
Edit: and just to add - if you’re a Ferrari fan you don’t hate their drivers.
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Yes again. I was the first to say Sainz is not great and not on par with Leclerc, while others kept saying Sainz is the better Ferrari driver. I was proven right when he was dropped earlier this year.
I was also the first to question if Albon is that great a driver as people on this thread suggest. Now with a rookie in his second race it looks like I might be right again. We will see next year how Albon stacks up against a pretty average driver like Sainz.
I also called out the two hasbeens at Haas, yet others thought they are great. Young Bearman seems to prove me right again.
I also called Alonso and Hamilton too old. Alonso we will probably not see against a good young driver, but Hamilton we can see next year.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Yes again. I was the first to say Sainz is not great and not on par with Leclerc, while others kept saying Sainz is the better Ferrari driver. I was proven right when he was dropped earlier this year.
I was also the first to question if Albon is that great a driver as people on this thread suggest. Now with a rookie in his second race it looks like I might be right again. We will see next year how Albon stacks up against a pretty average driver like Sainz.
I also called out the two hasbeens at Haas, yet others thought they are great. Young Bearman seems to prove me right again.
I also called Alonso and Hamilton too old. Alonso we will probably not see against a good young driver, but Hamilton we can see next year.
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So, still not an actual Ferrari fan eh?
 
quovadis said:
Isn’t it legal as long as it doesn’t move when they prod it with a stick or something in the garage?
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I don’t think so, didnt they start putting stickers on the wing last time it was suspected a team had too much wing flexibility under speed?
 
Dave said:
I don’t think so, didnt they start putting stickers on the wing last time it was suspected a team had too much wing flexibility under speed?
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My understanding is that the tests to measure such are dictated by the current regulations and that they’re legal until such a time as the FIA deem otherwise or introduce a separate test. The only time there’d be ramifications for a team is if they engineered a method to bypass the current technical tests which appears to not be the case.
 
Baxteen said:
the only 2 drivers that are currently in F1 and are not there because of rich parents are LH and colepinto.

everyone knows LH's story and he only got though lower formula because of Mclaren sponsorship.

collepinto has actually really suffered because of lack of funding. in his first season at the NZ racing series that is basically what F4 would be he beat a bunch of people who then went on to drive in F3 while he stayed behind because he had no funding.
then he had to take what he could get a year later in F3 and was stuck with a bad team, then he went to a good team and ditdbetter.

then he was stuck again, no money no sponsorship so no seat in F2. a year went by again and then Williams stepped up to sponsor him so he could go to F2.

and the sad thing is he will likely be in F2 again next year unless Sauber steps up and takes him (and I think they will stick with Bottas)
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Colapinto has had Argentine sponsorship throughout his career, some of whom have now joined Williams (notably his main sponsor, Globant).

Throughout his time in racing, the Argentine rookie – who started out in karting – has had the support of some of his nation’s biggest companies. Among them, domestic giants such as Globant, YPF and Quilmes.
https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/spo...tina-backing-f1-rookie-franco-colapinto.phtml
The firms have played a key role in Colapinto’s rise, providing financial and logistical support and the driver has said he is proud to represent his country on a global scale.
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Esteban Ocon and Fernando Alonso had much tougher paths than pretty much any other driver on the gird. Valtteri Bottas also never came from wealth, although slightly better off than the other two as his dad owned a small business.

Ocon's story is well known. His family selling their home to live in a caravan and fund him. He was already 3-years into his single seater career and aged 19 before Toto Wolff pulled him into the Merc family.

Alonso's family went through a period where his mother was altering his karting overalls because they could not afford new ones and his dad struggled to replace tyres, so one of his earliest skills was to learn how to preserve tyres. His luck changed when he entered single-seaters. 17 at the time and with his successful karting career behind him, he was signed by Adrian Campos who gave him a seat in his successful Formula Nissan (Spanish junior series) team and then sponsorship from Telefonica came on board which helped him get into F3000.

But yes, it is nearly impossible to progress through a junior career without being a combination of a nepo baby, wealthy, being involved in a junior program or have the backing of a manufacturer or sponsors.
 
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Baxteen said:
that really is a lot. that means its still possible for anyone from 8th up to still be champion. that is perez, who is tied at 143 with George Russel.
but for that to happen that person needs to score the max points and Max needs to score no more than 29 points.

Oscar, Lando, and Charles re the most likely to still be able to do it.

For lando its 9 points more than Max per race will do it
For Charles he will need to score 12 points more than Max per race
Oscar can also do it with 12 points more than Max per race.
Carlos needs to score 19 ponmts per race more than Max
Lewis needs to score 21 points per race more than Max
George and Checo need to score 25 points more than max.,

logically only Oscar, Lando and Charles stands a chance but its a slim chance.
Every time Max finishes 4th or lower everyone ahead of him stands a chance to catch him.
any time Max finishes on the podium the chance drops down.

and a single race where Max does not score any points could completely destroy those chances.


while I want to back Lando, Oscar and Charles stand as much of a chance as Lando does.
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I have a feeling we will see a race where Lando gets maximum points and Max gets nothing...
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
It's been scripted that way for DTS fans to change their favourite teams and drivers next season...
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Like all the Hamilton fans that suddenly came out as Mclaren fans this year?
Don't worry Mike, I still got your back, even though you go off script sometimes.
 
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