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Wrath of Khan said:
you're the kind of poofta who made the entire area tar and just painted lines in it... that's not a track

spice it up otherwise it gets boring!

what do you think rally car driving did, reverse grid etc etc
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This is the F1 thread dude. I'm sure there's a rally thread somewhere.
 
Decarin said:
Yeah I was watching F1 back then, there were a few instances of that over the years.
Refuelling was cut due to safety of the mechanics and drivers.
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Sure speaks volumes for F1 as pinnacle of racing when other racing discplines have refueling by contrast, able to be to safe having it.
 
So it’s still “mathematically possible” for Lando, Charles, Oscar and Carlos to win the DWC. :laugh:

Can’t believe people are calculating it but seems to be some eternal optimists …

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MuterOfWorlds said:
Sure speaks volumes for F1 as pinnacle of racing when other racing discplines have refueling by contrast, able to be to safe having it.
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Yeah F1 never used jerry cans dude. This isn't NASCAR.

F1 used these massive hoses that needed to be carried by like 3 people. They used these very high-volume hoses that pumped petrol at ridiculous pressure so that these cars could have like 100L fuel in a 5 second stop, but if that mechanism didn't connect properly it could spell disaster. And then you also had issues where the hose wouldn't disconnect. It was mad.

Way safer to have all the fuel in the car and not refuel during the race.

Fuel strategies were interesting though, and there was a very real possibility of running out of fuel in a race. And you could have a longer stop with more fuel or a shorter stop with less. And of course, the lighter the car the faster the car.

Now all that would come at the expense of crew safety (not to mention the presenters and fim crew in the pit lane), so no, I don't think refuelling should return.
 
Decarin said:
Yeah F1 never used jerry cans dude. This isn't NASCAR.

F1 used these massive hoses that needed to be carried by like 3 people. They used these very high-volume hoses that pumped petrol at ridiculous pressure so that these cars could have like 100L fuel in a 5 second stop, but if that mechanism didn't connect properly it could spell disaster. And then you also had issues where the hose wouldn't disconnect. It was mad.

Way safer to have all the fuel in the car and not refuel during the race.

Fuel strategies were interesting though, and there was a very real possibility of running out of fuel in a race. And you could have a longer stop with more fuel or a shorter stop with less. And of course, the lighter the car the faster the car.

Now all that would come at the expense of crew safety (not to mention the presenters and fim crew in the pit lane), so no, I don't think refuelling should return.
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Yeah as interesting as it made the race, it's not worth the risk to life.

Only other way I can think of making pit stops variable is to allow small adjustments to the wings. But that opens up another can of worms...
 
Baxteen said:
I dont mind more gravel.
but more gravel does not mean a better race, take Paul ricchard for example. lots of gravel, lots of run off. boring race.

and having less room for mistakes does not make a good race either, take Monaco for example.

and having mixed compounds will 100% not make for better racing because now people will need to come pit for new tyres becauae the front left wore our as a soft but the rears are mediums, now there is insane amount of tyre wear.
never mind getting into Quali and having Max out in Q3 because he was on 3 hards that meant he was a second a lap slower than stroll who got lucky and got 4 softs. plus how long would it take for the teams to figure out how to abuse that by running scrubbing sessions gatherign data and figuring out that they can deliberately run a hard on the front left and a medium on the right with 2 softs in the back because that combo would be perfect for the track? then suddenly Merc, Mclaren ,Ferrari and Red bull have a massive advantage again due to the man hours and number crunching they can do that say Williams and Hass simply cannot afford?

that idea was terrible and not at all thought out.
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This is Paul Ricchard.... you're arguments are invalid

Circuit Paul Ricard – Motorsport Guides
 
Perhaps a compulsory 2-3 stop could be implemented or perhaps all three tire compounds needs to be used during the race unless there is rain.

At the moment every team tries to do a one stop only as they push the tires as far as they can. More pit stops would create more opportunities, strategies etc.
 
Decarin said:
Fuel strategies were interesting though, and there was a very real possibility of running out of fuel in a race. And you could have a longer stop with more fuel or a shorter stop with less. And of course, the lighter the car the faster the car.
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I recall, from my youth, watching a F1 driver push his car over the finish line to win the race because he ran out.
Not sure which driver or race but I am sure a search would find it ........

First result: Leading the 59 US GP at Sebring, Jack Brabham ran out of fuel with two laps to go and was passed by Bruce McLaren. He managed to stay in fourth place and won the WC title by pushing his car across the finish line. He collapsed from the effort.

I was too young at that point so it is not the one I saw on TV but apparently it has happened a few times in the 70's and 80's, despite being banned in the 60's.
 
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Decarin said:
Make F1 exciting again:
- Bring back V10s
- Remove DRS
- Make them the size of the 2002 cars
- Strip out the hybrid stuff
- Boost button that speeds up the car (+250HP) for about 5 seconds that you can use once per lap
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This is the major reason behind why the racing is so boring. The cars are just too big and heavy.

Aero is the other big issue. These cars are too reliant on aero for their performance, and the minute they are anywhere near another car they go to crap. This has been seen in MotoGP with the development of aero there. MotoGP riders now find it harder than ever to follow one another and experience these same tyre degradation and performance drop off F1 drivers do as a consequence of being in dirty air.

I don't know what the solution would be. Part of the reason why the cars have gotten so big is because of the safety element. The need to have the driver's feet behind the front axle and the increasing in the size of the front nosecone to accommodate impact absorption has contributed greatly to the increase in length. The hybrid's requiring more space in the back along with large fuel tanks because of no-refueling hasn't helped either. Width too has increased because of side impact absorption. Maybe reintroducing refueling and scrapping the hybrid component could scale the cars down a touch.

On the aero front, they tried it once in 2009 when they ''dumbed'' the cars down and outlawed all the chimneys, vanes and flippy-flappy appendages that had sprouted all over the cars. Not sure how you could reduce the importance of aero now.
 
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