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Agent_Smith said:
Rumours (which I hate but nonetheless feel compelled to perpetuate) say Russell would be the one to vacate his seat as he is out of contract at the end of this year. Aforementioned rumours apparently tell of him having been spotted getting cozy with a certain Mr Briatore at Alpine.
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dotdan said:
Max to Merc next year
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Don't know why, but I also see that coming.
Keep giving Max a bad car and he will leave Red Bull like a sack of potatoes. Even an Aston Martin move might be possible the next few years if Newey tells him the car will perform. That will mean the end of Stroll as Max will not drive besides him.
 
dotdan said:
I would be interested to see who Toto kicks to the curb if Max comes calling later the year.
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Kimi is Toto's little home-grown champion, he'd absolutely never let him go. Sorry Georgie, Max needs your seat...
 
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Did Lawson not drive 6 races including practice sessions and qualifying last year? Thats more than most of the other rookies.
 
satanboy said:
I disagree.
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Genuine question with no malice intended: Did Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel, Verstappen have as many unforced major accident errors as Russell? Examples: near roll in Autralia last year, hit the wall and crashed out from second in Singapore (I think it was Singapore - night race with Hamilton behind him). Then we go back further - binned it behind the safety car when still with Williams. I do not recall those errors by world champions before or during their championship years......
 
Willie Trombone said:
This is where it's so much harder these days with more races and way way fewer testing hours. MS could put in hundreds of laps between races in his day.
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Not to forget Yuki comes along with a Honda financial incentive as per Kym Ilmans comments. I doubt Lawson has the same.
 
FlashSA said:
Genuine question with no malice intended: Did Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel, Verstappen have as many unforced major accident errors as Russell? Examples: near roll in Autralia last year, hit the wall and crashed out from second in Singapore (I think it was Singapore - night race with Hamilton behind him). Then we go back further - binned it behind the safety car when still with Williams. I do not recall those errors by world champions before or during their championship years......
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Not to mention Vegas. I'd rate Russell above average at best but I'd surprised if he ever won a championship. I see him more as a strong #2.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Don't know why, but I also see that coming.
Keep giving Max a bad car and he will leave Red Bull like a sack of potatoes. Even an Aston Martin move might be possible the next few years if Newey tells him the car will perform. That will mean the end of Stroll as Max will not drive besides him.
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It would make sense for him to venture to another team, he's been with Red Bull for 10 years already, has 4 titles with them, but it would be nice to see him driving for another team now. His contract is until 2028, but I'm sure there would be a get out early clause in there.

Although the Merc seat will be open I doubt he'll go for it. He might just stick it out a bit longer and see what happens at Aston Martin, and might go there instead. 2026 and the new regs is what will hold everyone at bay for the short term. We have no idea how things will play out, so it will be a waiting game for any new moves.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Did Lawson not drive 6 races including practice sessions and qualifying last year? Thats more than most of the other rookies.
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He did, but I'm not sure that really tells the story.

For one, the Red Bull is clearly a very different animal.

For another, the first race was in Australia which he's never raced and the conditions were horrendous with multiple people going out (including Alonso).

The second race was at a track he hasn't driven since 2018 in a very different vehicle.

Clearly his performance is not up to scratch, but I think he's being given a very hard time, all things considered.

I mean Alonso hasn't even finished a race yet, is being beaten soundly by Stroll and now has an injury. No outcry about his performance even though Liam is performing better than he is.
 
MaxQz said:
It would make sense for him to venture to another team, he's been with Red Bull for 10 years already, has 4 titles with them, but it would be nice to see him driving for another team now. His contract is until 2028, but I'm sure there would be a get out early clause in there.

Although the Merc seat will be open I doubt he'll go for it. He might just stick it out a bit longer and see what happens at Aston Martin, and might go there instead. 2026 and the new regs is what will hold everyone at bay for the short term. We have no idea how things will play out, so it will be a waiting game for any new moves.
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I think it all depends on what happens the rest of this year. If like it looks now, the Red Bull goes from bad to worse, I think he will jump ship.
If Red Bull seems to be more competitive(not only by Max's driving skills) he might stay.
 
UrBaN963 said:
I mean Alonso hasn't even finished a race yet, is being beaten soundly by Stroll and now has an injury. No outcry about his performance even though Liam is performing better than he is.
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Alonso didn't qualify last in a car that clearly isn't the worst. Red Bull may have issues with their car, but it's no Sauber.

But I do agree with driving a tricky car around circuits you haven't driven around could have made things difficult for him. It's not an indictment on Lawson, but it is on the team. Yuki should have been there in the first place...
 
UrBaN963 said:
He did, but I'm not sure that really tells the story.

For one, the Red Bull is clearly a very different animal.

For another, the first race was in Australia which he's never raced and the conditions were horrendous with multiple people going out (including Alonso).

The second race was at a track he hasn't driven since 2018 in a very different vehicle.

Clearly his performance is not up to scratch, but I think he's being given a very hard time, all things considered.

I mean Alonso hasn't even finished a race yet, is being beaten soundly by Stroll and now has an injury. No outcry about his performance even though Liam is performing better than he is.
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BUT! He wanted that hot seat. He was arrogant. He and his management could have said we want to develop first in a smaller team. You go for gold, this is what happens.
Yes I think its a bit harsh on him.
I personally think that interviews he gave after the Chinese race, sealed his fate. He looked like a broken man. A champion/fighter would take it on the chin and not look like a wreck in front of the world media.
 
The news on the street is apparently Merc is well ahead of the development curve for the 2026 regulations which would make them the preferred landing point for Max should he decide to jump the sinking Red Bull ship. On the hand, the Newey / Honda factor (coupled with a blank cheque from Mr Stroll) could make Aston Martin a viable destination too.

Fun times ahead...
 
i was of the opinion that toto is putting his cards on george (or whatever. i dont play cards)

but the forum seems to know otherwise.

either way - i hope max goes shopping this year. preferably early-mid year
 
imaskidaddle said:
i was of the opinion that toto is putting his cards on george (or whatever. i dont play cards)

but the forum seems to know otherwise.

either way - i hope max goes shopping this year. preferably early-mid year
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Toto is placing his bets on Antonelli. George's job is to mentor him, he just doesn't know it...
 
imaskidaddle said:
i was of the opinion that toto is putting his cards on george (or whatever. i dont play cards)

but the forum seems to know otherwise.

either way - i hope max goes shopping this year. preferably early-mid year
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Kimi Antonelli is Toto's pet project. He found Kimi while he was scooping up trophies left right and centre in the Italian karting scene while he was very young indeed. Toto has basically been guiding him through the process of getting to F1 for quite a few years now.

I don't know if you watched F1 in the 2010's when they'd cut to Toto with a small kid next to him...

This was 2018, before George. Kimi has been hanging around the Mercedes garage with uncle Toto for a long time.

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