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Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Your British bias hampers your judgement. He clearly brakes before the Ferrari, but they pushed him onto the curbs where there is no grip.
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Sinbad said:
Not at all. He was going the same speed as the others but his braking was compromised by him being forced into the lower grip kerbs/paint.
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Disagree. He was never making that corner. He sent it over the grass.
 
Turn one incidents are given a bit more leeway than other off track excursions. Added to this, Max immediately relinquished two positions (I think it was). All of this satisfied the stewards.

Now let it go.
 
Agent_Smith said:
Turn one incidents are given a bit more leeway than other off track excursions. Added to this, Max immediately relinquished two positions (I think it was). All of this satisfied the stewards.

Now let it go.
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The point being made was that it was more of a choice than a racing incident.

He didn't immediately relinquish anything.

He rejoined behind Norris and then moved in front of Lewis following Norris's line but ran into the back of Charles who was dropping back behind Norris. Lewis then positions his car behind Charles and overtakes Max. Max then maintains position ahead of Russell and behind Lewis yet Russell actually stayed on track.
 
See all the DTS fans with their thumb sucking and no facts are here again.

Max had a great start and passed Russell and then cam alongside Le Clerc and Hamilton who were next to each other.
Piastri was moving left and then Hamilton tried to pass Piastri on the left too. That made Leclerc needing to go even further left pushing Max of the track.
So if anyone is to blame its Hamilton. Max had great start and did nothing wrong.
 
quovadis said:
The point being made was that it was more of a choice than a racing incident.

He didn't immediately relinquish anything.

He rejoined behind Norris and then moved in front of Lewis following Norris's line but ran into the back of Charles who was dropping back behind Norris. Lewis then positions his car behind Charles. Max then maintained position ahead of Russell and behind Lewis yet Russell actually stayed on track.
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Max passed Russell long before they came to turn 1. So Russell's whining and yours are just BS. Russell has nothing to do with any of this.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
Max passed Russell long before they came to turn 1. So Russell's whining and yours are just BS. Russell has nothing to do with any of this.
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The cars that stayed on track and drove through Turn 1 were Norris, Hamilton and then Russell. Max rejoined in front of Hamilton but still had a lasting advantage at least over Russell who STAYED ON TRACK. It's not a lasting advantage of the person behind where you joined, its the person on track behind when you left...
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
See all the DTS fans with their thumb sucking and no facts are here again.

Max had a great start and passed Russell and then cam alongside Le Clerc and Hamilton who were next to each other.
Piastri was moving left and then Hamilton tried to pass Piastri on the left too. That made Leclerc needing to go even further left pushing Max of the track.
So if anyone is to blame its Hamilton. Max had great start and did nothing wrong.
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Who was behind max that made it through Turn 1 without going off track?
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
See all the DTS fans with their thumb sucking and no facts are here again.

Max had a great start and passed Russell and then cam alongside Le Clerc and Hamilton who were next to each other.
Piastri was moving left and then Hamilton tried to pass Piastri on the left too. That made Leclerc needing to go even further left pushing Max of the track.
So if anyone is to blame its Hamilton. Max had great start and did nothing wrong.
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quovadis said:
The cars that stayed on track and drove through Turn 1 were Norris, Hamilton and then Russell. Max rejoined in front of Hamilton but still had a lasting advantage at least over Russell who STAYED ON TRACK. It's not a lasting advantage of the person behind where you joined, its the person on track behind when you left...
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quovadis said:
Who was behind max that made it through Turn 1 without going off track?
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LOL genius
Almost every race there are cars that does not make the first turn.
Do you want them to fall to the back of the field behind the car in 20th place who made the corner?
Surely there is a DTS Reddit forum where you can have a echo chamber with this dumb shyte.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
LOL genius
Almost every race there are cars that does not make the first turn.
Do you want them to fall to the back of the field behind the car in 20th place who made the corner?
Surely there is a DTS Reddit forum where you can have a echo chamber with this dumb shyte.
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You can drop the attitude and insults.

The point isn’t that cars miss Turn 1 sometimes - it’s whether doing so gives a lasting advantage, which the FIA specifically prohibits. If a driver cuts the corner and keeps or gains a position they shouldn’t have, they’re supposed to give it back. That person was Russell in Max's case. Nobody said they should fall to 20th but if Russell made the corner and kept it clean, the one who cut it shouldn’t be rewarded for it. That’s not a “DTS opinion,” that’s the FIA rules. It's not just Max, in fairness Charles should've dropped back behind Lewis.
 
quovadis said:
You can drop the attitude and insults.

The point isn’t that cars miss Turn 1 sometimes - it’s whether doing so gives a lasting advantage, which the FIA specifically prohibits. If a driver cuts the corner and keeps or gains a position they shouldn’t have, they’re supposed to give it back. That person was Russell in Max's case. Nobody said they should fall to 20th but if Russell made the corner and kept it clean, the one who cut it shouldn’t be rewarded for it. That’s not a “DTS opinion,” that’s the FIA rules. It's not just Max, in fairness Charles should've dropped back behind Lewis.
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What don't you understand about Max that have passed Russell long before the corner? He did not get and advantage over Russell because he already passed Russell long before the corner.
Go play your pigeon chess somewhere else.
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
What don't you understand about Max that have passed Russell long before the corner? He did not get and advantage over Russell because he already passed Russell long before the corner.
Go play your pigeon chess somewhere else.
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So your argument is that Max “was ahead long before the corner,” and therefore didn’t gain an advantage - even though Russell exited Turn 1 still in front on track? That makes absolutely no sense. It's not as if Russell was 5s behind he was 0.08s behind Hamilton.
 
quovadis said:
So your argument is that Max “was ahead long before the corner,” and therefore didn’t gain an advantage - even though Russell exited Turn 1 still in front on track? That makes absolutely no sense. It's not as if Russell was 5s behind he was 0.08s behind Hamilton.
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Geez are you a female?
Its is pretty simple.
First answer this.
Did Max pass Russell before the reached the braking points at turn 1. And I mean clearly pass, full car long before they started braking.
If so, then he could not gain an advantage over Russell, because he already passed Russell. He already was ahead of Russell.
Simple as that. If you want to argue against that, then you have no idea how F1 works.

Now to entertain you ma'am. If you want to come up with BS that Russell made the corner. Yes he did, so did most of the field. SO again you want guys that does not make a cornet fall back behind all the cars behind them that did make the corner even 20th place? Before you start your pigeon chess on this, answer the first question first.
 
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