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lap 1.... as per the FIA, they are more lenient on penalties because it is LAP 1 and always an intense scrap

lap 1.. Max did NOT gain an advantage at all, secondly he was squeezed off track by Charles <-- read the NOT GAIN ADVANTAGE

Hamilton incident... Did Max make the corner = yes <-- that is the crux. Did they touch = yes, but he didn't bang him off, cause damage and use his car to slow down by bashing into another = no

Hamilton penalty = HE GAINED AN ADVANTAGE <-- they really didn't care about the correct escape road, they weren't happy but ****it. 2 second gap magically went to almost 5 seconds = gained an advantage!

All Ferrari twats had to do was tell Hamilton to slow down to negate the gained time and he wouldn't have been given a penalty, FML they are idiots. He wouldn't have lost a position, just slow down.

Sainz = effing always causing kak, but in his defense his car was 100% safe.

Russell = what a ****en wet rag, he should have been given a penalty because he's a wet rag lying about Max

Mercedes = effed Russell over to protect their poofta love child Antonelli, what the eff for? who knows...

FIA = want Lando to win at all costs

Piastri = makes no sense, McLaren have clearly effed him over by installing the new diesel engine to make Lando win, obvious

Marshallers = idiots

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PCWARITM said:
You’ll have to take it in context. There’s a difference between “just going off track” and deliberately skipping the corner, well 3 corners. As per my previous post, this is an opinion from Brundle about how the spirit of racing is being undermined by the weak law. I wouldn’t put it past Max to have had that move as one of a few strategies pre-race.
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Context, schmontext. There is not and has never been a penalty for simply leaving the track. Brundle has a Max hatred that has warped his ability to be an objective voice. Although F1TV probably owe him a bonus, he has been the biggest reason for subscribers flocking to sign up.
 
Speedster said:
Context, schmontext. There is not and has never been a penalty for simply leaving the track. Brundle has a Max hatred that has warped his ability to be an objective voice. Although F1TV probably owe him a bonus, he has been the biggest reason for subscribers flocking to sign up.
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In fairness do we really want racing where you can drive wherever/however you want in a competitive scenario with no consequence as long as you precisely maintain the time/gap while doing so?
 
quovadis said:
In fairness do we really want racing where you can drive wherever/however you want in a competitive scenario with no consequence as long as you precisely maintain the time/gap while doing so?
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No we don't, but arbitrarily handing out penalties because someone doesn't like something is even worse. There are currently penalties for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, and for repeatedly exceeding track limits.

In the recent Max example, the guy saw a glimpse of a gap and was over ambitious in going for it. He gained no advantage and people still want to penalise him for it because they're butt hurt.

I want to see racing where drivers push the limits and take chances. If it goes wrong they shouldn't be penalised for trying (assuming they've stayed within the existing rules).
 
This reminds me of the Bully thread. These people have serious emotional damage from 2021.
Max was alongside both Ferrari's.
The Ferrari's push him onto the curbs.
On video evidence it is clear that he starts braking before the Ferrari, but it is impossible to stop on those curbs where the Ferrari's pushed him.
Yet the emotional damage lot say he did it intentional.
Shame man, go see a psychiatrist.
 
Speedster said:
No we don't, but arbitrarily handing out penalties because someone doesn't like something is even worse. There are currently penalties for leaving the track and gaining an advantage, and then the allowance for exceeding track limits three times.

In the recent Max example, the guy saw a glimpse of gap and was over ambitious in going for it. He gained no advantage and people still want to penalise him for it because they're butt hurt.

I want to see racing were drivers push the limits and take chances. If it goes wrong they shouldn't be penalised for trying (assuming they've stayed within the existing rules).
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I think the difference of opinion stems from an advantage only being determined by time rather than position or track position sustainability. In Max’s case, he dove down at Turn 1, locked up, and ran wide ending up off-track but rejoining ahead of Russell without losing the net time delta he’d have held if he’d stayed on the asphalt. The stewards deemed no lasting advantage because the gap closed back up naturally, but that ignores the positional lock-in: by using the runoff.
 
quovadis said:
I think the difference of opinion stems from an advantage only being determined by time rather than position or track position sustainability. In Max’s case, he dove down at Turn 1, locked up, and ran wide ending up off-track but rejoining ahead of Russell without losing the net time delta he’d have held if he’d stayed on the asphalt. The stewards deemed no lasting advantage because the gap closed back up naturally, but that ignores the positional lock-in: by using the runoff.
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The FACT is that Max was pretty comfortably ahead before the corner, so the opinion that he gained any form of advantage over George is simply wrong.
 
Speedster said:
The FACT is that Max was pretty comfortably ahead before the corner, so the opinion that he gained any form of advantage over George is simply wrong.
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You're not appreciating the argument being made. He maintained his position by using the runoff. That's the nuance. That is a lasting advantage on its own, negated only by the obsession with time rather than the integrity of the racing line and the position earned on the actual track.

Letting a driver bail out wide, skip the consequence of a mistake and rejoin still in front even if the stopwatch later balances turns every corner into a gamble where missing the apex has zero downside.
 
quovadis said:
You're not appreciating the argument being made. He maintained his position by using the runoff. That's the nuance. That is a lasting advantage on its own, negated only by the obsession with time rather than the integrity of the racing line and the position earned on the actual track.

Letting a driver bail out wide, skip the consequence of a mistake and rejoin still in front even if the stopwatch later balances turns every corner into a gamble where missing the apex has zero downside.
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He would have maintained the position if he'd slotted in behind the Ferraris too. Whether he went off track to maintain the position, or whether he'd slotted in behind the Ferraris makes no difference in that regard.
 
Speedster said:
He would have maintained the position if he'd slotted in behind the Ferraris too. Whether he went off track to maintain the position, or whether he'd slotted in behind the Ferraris makes no difference in that regard.
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Again, not appreciating the argument. The Ferraris don’t magically appear as a free pass. They’re part of the on-track order. Using the runoff to bypass both the mistake and the queue isn’t “slotting in” it’s position laundering. The issue isn’t about where you end up on the straight; it’s about how you got there. Track limits exist so drivers can’t turn every failed lunge into a guaranteed keep-the-place coupon.
 
OK lets settle this.
Abu Dhabi 2021 1st lap. Please watch.
Max go for the 1st place and makes the corner. LH runs of track not only regains 1st place but also a huge gap.
Even the British commentators say he must give the place back.
Stewards...... no further investigation.

MBB no problem there, 1st lap incident, because Hamilton not Max.
So please explain or STFU
 
quovadis said:
Again, not appreciating the argument. The Ferraris don’t magically appear as a free pass. They’re part of the on-track order. Using the runoff to bypass both the mistake and the queue isn’t “slotting in” it’s position laundering. The issue isn’t about where you end up on the straight; it’s about how you got there. Track limits exist so drivers can’t turn every failed lunge into a guaranteed keep-the-place coupon.
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You are right. I don't appreciate that argument. It's looking for a reason to penalise someone based on not liking something, rather than a contravention of the rules. He took a chance, it didn't work out and he neither lost nor gained anything.
 
Speedster said:
You are right. I don't appreciate that argument. It's looking for a reason to penalise someone based on not liking something, rather than a contravention of the rules. He took a chance, it didn't work out and he neither lost nor gained anything.
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Where he rejoined was only possible because of the offtrack excursion. That's a gain.
 
Speedster said:
You are right. I don't appreciate that argument. It's looking for a reason to penalise someone based on not liking something, rather than a contravention of the rules. He took a chance, it didn't work out and he neither lost nor gained anything.
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I see you in the mood to watch some pigeon chess this morning
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
OK lets settle this.
Abu Dhabi 2021 1st lap. Please watch.
Max go for the 1st place and makes the corner. LH runs of track not only regains 1st place but also a huge gap.
Even the British commentators say he must give the place back.
Stewards...... no further investigation.

MBB no problem there, 1st lap incident, because Hamilton not Max.
So please explain or STFU
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Did the stewards determine Max was forced off track in Mexico?
 
quovadis said:
Hypothetically - Russell hit the apex. But you're welcome to explain how Max could turn in and remain in front of Russell?
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It must be very difficult for Russell to race for a team while knowing they prefer the flying Dutchman over him.:crying:
 
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