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It's becoming a race between who's going to be fired/replaced first: Lawson or Doohan


Jack Doohan racks up four penalty in one Grand Prix weekend: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...ulated-four-penalty-points-in-china/10706623/

"... Doohan's first penalty of the weekend came after causing a collision with Sauber driver Gabriel Bortoleto, a breach of Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 d) of the FIA International Sporting Code. ...
Another incident involving Doohan took place during the Grand Prix, where he was found to have forced Racing Bulls driver Isack Hadjar off the track, breaching Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 b) of the International Sporting Code. ..."
 
Baxteen said:
it does not matter who is in the second red bull car.

Max is driving a car set up the way he likes to drive. and unless someone has the same driving style, they will not do as well.
add in that comparing anyone else to what max does is not really fair in the first at least 15 races.

then you add in that max is driving past the ability of the car because he is actually very good.
its all fine and well that when a mid field team gets points we praise the driver. I did that myself saying both Albon and Gasly drove the cars to better positions than the car was able to get.
should we not be doing the same for the redbull now? it is looking like Max is placing the car quite a few positions above where the car should be. everyone knows I do not like Max, but a good drive in a bad car is something we should talk about.

now to come back to lawson. he was performing better than Tsunoda all the time last year. now he is in the red bull and the racing bulls are doing better than he is. does that mean the red bull is bad, or that lawson is bad? how do we even begin to know that?

I think the red bull is currently a mid field car. the Mclaren is faster. the Merc is faster. and the ferrari is faster. and Max is putting it in a position where we cant say if the redbull is better than the Williams or the Alpine or not. if say Max was injured, and say Tsunoda had to race the redbull for 2 races along with lawson, where would they be in terms of pace? would lawson out perform Tsunoda?
would we say the Williams or Alpine is faster if we remove the max factor?


once we can establish where the redbull is in terms of true pecking order without the max factor, then we can evaluate Lawson.

two last place finishes are not a good look.
but he finished both races. that is better than both Sains and Alonso...


Lawson should at the very least be allowed to race in Japan. he raced Super formula so he knows the track well. if he is still performing worse than Stroll is then maybe swap him for Tsunoda....
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Max believes it is the 4th best car on the grid and it isn't easy to drive. Regardless though, Lawson is doing himself no favours.

"If you look at the difference between the two drivers at the other teams, they are all closer together," he began to De Telegraaf. "It also shows that our car is extremely tricky. I think when you put Liam in the Racing Bulls' car, he goes harder. I really think so. That car is easier to drive than ours. I also notice that when I talk to Liam. Last year, I didn't think the difference between him and Yuki Tsunoda was that big. Otherwise the team wouldn't make the choice to put him in at Red Bull either."
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"I feel confident in choosing the right moments to push, without making mistakes. But we are just too slow. Whether we are the fourth team at the moment? That's what it feels like for me," he said.
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www.gpblog.com

Verstappen sounds alarmed at Red Bull: 'Lawson went harder at Racing Bulls'

Max Verstappen has talked about where the RB21 ranks compared to their rivals after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix. While the defending champion will start the Chinese Grand Prix on the second...
www.gpblog.com www.gpblog.com
 
bone_thug said:
Something which I noticed, and which someone has mentioned, Ferrari put hards on LH for his second stop. They could have gone with mediums. I've seen Macca do this as well before.

Could the reason be so that the car is not under weight at the end. IE, mediums wear down quicker, so they would be lighter?
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the weight of the car is without the tyre.

when GR got his DQ last year there was a lot of explanation on how that process works.

basically car hits weight bridge. total weight is noted.
Driver is weighed in and that is subtracted.
a set weight for the tires is subtracted.
1 liter of fuel is removed from the car for testing.
the car is checked for any additional fuel, that is removed and weighed.

additional fuel weight is also subtracted. if at this stage the car is found to be under the minimum weight the car is disqualified.

that is why they CAN drive around and pick up marbles, as that adds a few grams to the weight because the tire weight is a set amount that is removed for all cars. regardless of what compound the car was running.


LH should have gone to mediums not hards. he would have still managed to put in 18 quali laps and maybe even caught up to VER, even though it would not have matterd wiht his DQ based on plank wear.
 
thestaggy said:
Max believes it is the 4th best car on the grid and it isn't easy to drive. Regardless though, Lawson is doing himself no favours.





www.gpblog.com

Verstappen sounds alarmed at Red Bull: 'Lawson went harder at Racing Bulls'

Max Verstappen has talked about where the RB21 ranks compared to their rivals after qualifying for the Chinese Grand Prix. While the defending champion will start the Chinese Grand Prix on the second...
www.gpblog.com www.gpblog.com
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100% agreed.
and I am honestly not sure its the 4th best car on the grid. it might be 5th or 6th and max is making it look like the 4th.

if you put max in the Alpine or the williams would he be finishing where he is finishing now, or higher up?
 
Baxteen said:
the weight of the car is without the tyre.

when GR got his DQ last year there was a lot of explanation on how that process works.

basically car hits weight bridge. total weight is noted.
Driver is weighed in and that is subtracted.
a set weight for the tires is subtracted.
1 liter of fuel is removed from the car for testing.
the car is checked for any additional fuel, that is removed and weighed.

additional fuel weight is also subtracted. if at this stage the car is found to be under the minimum weight the car is disqualified.

that is why they CAN drive around and pick up marbles, as that adds a few grams to the weight because the tire weight is a set amount that is removed for all cars. regardless of what compound the car was running.


LH should have gone to mediums not hards. he would have still managed to put in 18 quali laps and maybe even caught up to VER, even though it would not have matterd wiht his DQ based on plank wear.
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If you think about what you wrote, excess tyre wear is exactly what caused the car to go underweight.
It was weighed with worn tyres, and then the weight of a new set of tyres was deducted.
 
Sinbad said:
If you think about what you wrote, excess tyre wear is exactly what caused the car to go underweight.
It was weighed with worn tyres, and then the weight of a new set of tyres was deducted.
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it can be a factor yes.
but the difference between a medium and a hard would not make up for it. between a hard and a soft yes. but you wont do 18 laps on softs in China.

the process is still the same. car weighs X. 3 times 37kg is removed. if the car is underweight that means the tire wear was too much but picking up marbles could account for that weight difference.

being down an end plate AND having additional tire wear could explain Charles's underweight problem, but it is possible there is even more than just those things that lead to it. maybe some floor damage due to the missing end plate causing a part of the floor to be worn away that held some weight for balance?
 
Baxteen said:
it can be a factor yes.
but the difference between a medium and a hard would not make up for it. between a hard and a soft yes. but you wont do 18 laps on softs in China.

the process is still the same. car weighs X. 3 times 37kg is removed. if the car is underweight that means the tire wear was too much but picking up marbles could account for that weight difference.

being down an end plate AND having additional tire wear could explain Charles's underweight problem, but it is possible there is even more than just those things that lead to it. maybe some floor damage due to the missing end plate causing a part of the floor to be worn away that held some weight for balance?
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His broken endplate had no impact on this. Damaged parts are allowed to be replaced for weighings
 
Such a class act from Hadjar : r/formuladank
 
Jean Claude Vaaldamme said:
MBB DTS F1 experts:
A 40 year old 7 time world champion in his 19th year in F1 needs to learn the car.
Also 22/23 year old rookies cant drive and needs to be fired after 2 races.
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So far the two rookies who seem a bit out of place is Doohan and Lawson. Lawson in particular due to him never driving those two tracks and coming to terms with a difficult car.

Kimi, Bortaleto and Bearman is doing very well in my opinion.

Hamilton is doing very well, but he does not have the pressure of learning tracks. It is merely the team setup he needs to get used to.
 
dotdan said:
So far the two rookies who seem a bit out of place is Doohan and Lawson. Lawson in particular due to him never driving those two tracks and coming to terms with a difficult car.

Kimi, Bortaleto and Bearman is doing very well in my opinion.

Hamilton is doing very well, but he does not have the pressure of learning tracks. It is merely the team setup he needs to get used to.
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Bearman finished last in one of his 2 races. Bortaleto DNF in his first of 2 races.
Verstappen DNF in 4 of his first 6 races.
 
dotdan said:
So far the two rookies who seem a bit out of place is Doohan and Lawson. Lawson in particular due to him never driving those two tracks and coming to terms with a difficult car.

Kimi, Bortaleto and Bearman is doing very well in my opinion.

Hamilton is doing very well, but he does not have the pressure of learning tracks. It is merely the team setup he needs to get used to.
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In fairness, the rookies should get a bit of leeway in Australia.

It is a track none of them were familiar with, it was the opening round of the season, and it was run in difficult conditions. Save for Antonelli, they all had a rude awakening.

Doohan was in trouble before the season even started, though. He was dead man walking with Colapinto in the wings.
 
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