F1 - General discussion and 2017

UrBaN963 said:
No, Nascar is only ovals, Indycar is race tracks.

[video=youtube;cl6AZ-5ff_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl6AZ-5ff_Q[/video]
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That actually looks quit good.

I see they have longer races and allow refueling but I dont recall any tire changes, I must have blinked.
Not a lot of overtaking though and the contacts were not as spectacular as F1, I guess they are a lot slower.
Still, if I were in America I would watch it and not miss F1 too much.
 
caroper said:
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Not a lot of overtaking though and the contacts were not as spectacular as F1, I guess they are a lot slower.
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The last modern comparison of note is F1 and Indy car. The most recent road course to host both series was Montreal's Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in 2006. Sebastien Bourdais' pole time of 1:20.005 in his Lola-Ford/Cosworth Champ Car was impressive, but the 1:14.726 delivered by Fernando Alonso in his Renault RS26 was especially remarkable, given how F1 moved from volatile 900 hp V10s to torque-less V8s in '06.
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Interesting article:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsp...imes-dont-lie-how-top-tier-race-cars-compare/

Based on this: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/here-s-the-difference-between-f1-and-indycar/
Indycar have a slightly higher top end in race trim, but I reckon F1 could go a lot quicker of set up for top end.
 
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Here Are The Differences Between F1 And IndyCar
As previously discussed in other comparisons, F1 cars are all very different. Sure, some may run with the same power units, gearboxes, brakes and all have the same tyres but the chassis, aerodynamics and numerous other internal parts are unique. 22 will line up on the grid in 2016, with 11 teams competing in 21 races – at five street tracks and 16 permanent facilities.

F1 entered a new era in 2014 with the introduction of 1.6-litre V6 turbo engines. They feature direct fuel injection, rev to 15,000rpm and make up the broader power unit, which includes the hybrid system. Overall the power units are made of the Internal Combustion Engine, turbocharger and Energy Recovery System (ERS), which includes the MGU-K, MGU-H, control electronics and energy store.
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Pics and full Article: https://www.carthrottle.com/post/here-s-the-difference-between-f1-and-indycar/
 
Okay, some additional info out of interest. (I got interested so thought I'd share).

2017 Indy Car specs

  • Dry weight - 730KG (728KG in F1 2017, including driver)
  • Width - 1994mm (2000mm in F1 2017)
  • Max Height - 1016mm (950mm in F1 2017)

Engine:
  • Indy : 2200cc V6 Twin Turbo (550-700HP)
  • F1: 1600cc V6 Turbo (900-1000hp)

Interestingly, Indy comes in 2 trims; one for usual tracks and one for speedways. There are aero differences.
In 2015, Hamilton did 360KM/H at Mexico FP1. An Indy did 370 at a Speedway, so due to downforce differences, they can get higher top speed than F1 on Speedways. On usual tracks though, they're slower, in part due to the fact they are heavier.
 
Interesting stuff.

I really enjoyed that youtube clip, very interesting.

Some of the pit stops look a but dumb, but i suppose the rules are such.
 
UrBaN963 said:
No, Nascar is only ovals
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Not exclusively, but I get what you are saying, not as much variety as INDYCAR.

The big Cup cars visit two race tracks; Watkins Glen and Sonoma.

The second tier Xfinity cars visit Watkins Glen, Road America (I wish F1 raced there) and Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course and they used to race at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve as well.

The third tier Trucks race at Mosport Park (first Canadian circuit to host an F1 race). They even go back to stock car roots in this class and race at a dirt speedway, something fans are now asking the big Cup cars do.
 
UrBaN963 said:
Thanks man, I didn't know all that.
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No problem. I used to be one of those ''but they only turn left'' guys until I paid some attention to it. And even when they do only turn left there is a lot of variety in the ovals as well and you appreciate the nuances of each one and the craft required to negotiate them.

But that's me. If it goes fast I'll watch it.
 
thestaggy said:
No problem. I used to be one of those ''but they only turn left'' guys until I paid some attention to it. And even when they do only turn left there is a lot of variety in the ovals as well and you appreciate the nuances of each one and the craft required to negotiate them.

But that's me. If it goes fast I'll watch it.
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This ^

Oval racing can be awesome to watch, but the same as you it only became interesting after some exposure to the finer details.
 
Maybe Fernando will finish a race this year...

Fernando Alonso will contest this year's Indianapolis 500 in a McLaren-entered car, missing Formula 1's Monaco Grand Prix due to a date clash.

Following weeks of secret talks involving Honda, McLaren and Alonso, agreement has been reached for the two-time F1 champion to race in America while the F1 paddock is in Monaco.

Alonso will race a McLaren entry run by the Honda-affiliated Andretti Autosport IndyCar team, headed by former McLaren F1 racer Michael Andretti.

"I'm immensely excited that I'll be racing in this year's Indy 500, with McLaren, Honda and Andretti Autosport," said Alonso.

"The Indy 500 is one of the most famous races on the global motorsport calendar, rivalled only by the Le Mans 24 Hours and the Monaco Grand Prix, and it's of course a regret of mine that I won't be able to race at Monaco this year.

"But Monaco will be the only 2017 Grand Prix I'll be missing, and I'll be back in the cockpit of the McLaren-Honda MCL32 for the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal in early June."

The shock decision by McLaren to allow its prize asset to contest the Indianapolis 500 comes at a time when Alonso's future is uncertain, as his contract expires at the end of this season.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128926
 
Hmmm, maybe not, the IndyCars seem to have typical Honda reliability:p

Andretti Autosport fails to finish a single car at IndyCar Grand Prix of Long Beach

HONDA WILL INVESTIGATE THE CAUSE OF FOUR SEEMINGY DIFFERENT ISSUES


Honda Performance Development will investigate the cause of four seemingly different problems with each of the Andretti Autosport IndyCar teams on Sunday during the Toyota Grand Prix of Long Beach.

The Michael Andretti-led squad endured a disastrous day in Southern California, with four DNFs that left each car outside of the top 15.

The first to fall was Michael Andretti, who stalled his No. 27 on lap 14 and cited a sensor issue as the culprit. Then came contender Alexander Rossi, who suffered an obvious engine failure on his No. 98 on lap 62 from inside the top 5.

Takuma Sato was running outside of the top 10 when his No. 26 inexplicably lost power on lap 78. Finally, Ryan Hunter-Reay was running second to eventual winner James Hinchcliffe when he, too, stalled his No. 28 with five laps to go.



Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/indycar...r-indycar-grand-prix-long-beach#ixzz4e28oVkSu
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caroper said:
Will this mean that Jenson Button will drive in Monaco I wonder.
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Closest to an announcement I've seen so far.

Jenson Button could make McLaren appearance at Monaco GP

Fernando Alonso will miss this year's Monaco Grand Prix after it was confirmed by McLaren that he will compete at the blue-riband Indianapolis 500 event instead.

Double world champion Alonso, 35, will race in a Honda-powered Andretti car branded as a McLaren.

Alonso's absence for round six of the Formula One championship raises the possibility that Jenson Button, who remains under contract in an ambassadorial role for McLaren, could return for the Monte Carlo race on May 28.
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http://www.itv.com/news/update/2017-04-12/jensen-button-could-make-mclaren-appearance-at-monaco-gp/
 
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