Fallism and the intellectuals

[Xarog]

No, you use the word rationalism and collectivism in a way that is unknown in the literature, in the disciplines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism

-ism is a suffix in many English words, originally derived from the Ancient Greek suffix -ισμός (-ismos), reaching English through the Latin -ismus, and the French -isme.[1] It is often used in philosophy to define specific ideologies, and, as such, at times it is used as a noun when referring to a broad range of ideologies in a general sense.[2] The suffix 'ism' qua ism is neutral and therefore bears no connotations associated with any of the many ideologies it has been appended to; such determinations can only be informed by public opinion regarding specific ideologies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

Ideology is a collection of beliefs held by an individual, group or society. It can be described as a set of conscious and unconscious ideas which make up one's beliefs, goals, expectations, and motivations. An ideology is a comprehensive normative vision that is followed by people, governments, or other groups that is considered the correct way by the majority of the population, as argued in several philosophical tendencies (see political ideologies).

I think I'm on safe ground when it comes to what the literature says.

 

[Rouxenator]

/agrees

Revolution over evolution is the order of the day

That is why that want things to "fall" and not "rise".

They aren't protesting for the quality of education to rise. No, they want the cost (quality) there of to fall. If the quality rises, and we have better schools, teachers, syllabus - you name it - then they will better understand these things.

Then things do not have to fall. But that will require work and we all know that age old protest chant "We demand jobs not work."

 

[Arthur]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-ism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology

I think I'm on safe ground when it comes to what the literature says.

Again, I disagree. In informed discourse, the ist/ism terms are used to describe systems where the substantive root is the distinctive, primary or overarching feature, attribute or characteristic.

Collective - any group or collection
Collectivism - a system/doctrine that holds the group/collective as the primary/distinctive/fundamental/most important reality, esp collective rather than individual control of production and distribution

Individual - a discrete single human being (in context)
Individualism - a system/doctrine that holds the individual / individual rights as the primary/distinctive/fundamental/most important social reality

Matter - mode of being with extension
Materialism - system/theory that posits matter as the primary/fundamental reality

Ideal - a thing or person regarded as perfect
Idealism - a philosophical system that holds primary reality is mental / intellectual

Capital - an accumulation of stored wealth
Capitalism - a system that holds the accumulation of capital is the primary economic driver

&c. &c. &c.

I am very pro social, but anti-Socialism; pro science, but anti-Scientism; pro rational but anti-Rationalism; pro matter but anti-Materialism; pro Deus (Theos) but anti-Deism; pro ideals and anti-Idealism; pro liberty but anti-Libertariansm; pro morals and anti-Moralism; pro animals but anti-Animalism. You get the idea. Of course not all isms/ists are pejoratives in my book.

A few selective quotes from Wikipedia aren't very useful.

 

[Xarog]

Again, I disagree. In informed discourse, the ist/ism terms are used to describe systems where the substantive root is the distinctive, primary or overarching feature, attribute or characteristic.

Collective - any group or collection
Collectivism - a system/doctrine that holds the group/collective as the primary/distinctive/fundamental/most important reality, esp collective rather than individual control of production and distribution

Individual - a discrete single human being (in context)
Individualism - a system/doctrine that holds the individual / individual rights as the primary/distinctive/fundamental/most important social reality

Matter - mode of being with extension
Materialism - system/theory that posits matter as the primary/fundamental reality

Ideal - a thing or person regarded as perfect
Idealism - a philosophical system that holds primary reality is mental / intellectual

Capital - an accumulation of stored wealth
Capitalism - a system that holds the accumulation of capital is the primary economic driver

&c. &c. &c.

I am very pro social, but anti-Socialism; pro science, but anti-Scientism; pro rational but anti-Rationalism; pro matter but anti-Materialism; pro Deus (Theos) but anti-Deism; pro ideals and anti-Idealism; pro liberty but anti-Libertariansm; pro morals and anti-Moralism; pro animals but anti-Animalism. You get the idea. Of course not all isms/ists are pejoratives in my book.

A few selective quotes from Wikipedia aren't very useful.

I don't find this description very useful. Rarely is any real ideology pure to the degree that your "informed discourse" would imply. And any real ideology that could truly serve the needs of humanity would never be so blatantly single-minded. And certainly there's nothing collectivistic about the fallist movement in this sense. Indeed, the movement consists of individuals demanding enrichment at the expense of the collective as a result of the fact that they as individuals have been victimised by circumstance.