Farm Attacks

[supersunbird]

I asked TheChamp. Not you.

What I am saying is that white people who live in rural areas are getting murdered at disproportionately higher rates than other murder victims. These crimes are accelerating.

I wish we could get stats to see if this is true or not.

 

[Emjay]

I wish we could get stats to see if this is true or not.

And I wish people would stop downplaying the severity of these crimes.

If I had to say people who live in drug infested areas are more likely to be murdered, that's fine, right? But if you put a white label on it, all of sudden we have to talk about "all crime". Or not put a label to it. Complete and utter BS. And many people see this behaviour for what it is.

 

[Tokolotshe]

All of you, from both sides, are turning a thread about people's suffering into a political game. I can't imagine what some of the survivors of these things must feel if they were to come across a thread like this.

There is a problem when people being murdered and tortured are not acknowledged, trying to bury them in other stats.

This has been a long time game if you go back. SAPS did not even have the numbers, it was of no consequence to them. That resulted in a shyte show of it's own. It was found they downplayed the problem. Of course Afriforum was not popular when their numbers proved more correct. Evil Afriforum! Evil Afriforum is claiming genocide! (no they did not and is still the strawman we see today to downplay this).

We also need to ask why the UN would have decided to acknowledge them, considering the massive resources available to the UN to divide bulldust from facts.

It's easy being smart, fanning flames and playing clevuh racial games when other peoples' lives are at stake. If only we actually had a civilized country with a functioning police system. But then again, as Neil Walsh at the UN said: "By the time it comes to policing, it may already be too late". It's not just the SOEs etc that have failed, it the whole concept of human dignity and protection of our constitution, it's gamed. Of course, political ideology plays into this. Our PP has failed us, the HRC is a joke. This causes a problem for the 'kings'. Hey, I have an idea, let's blame apartheid fan the flames some more to take the heat away! Hate speech is a thing in South Africa, yet only monkeys are acknowledge, serious issues made of as of lesser consequence.

To understand this shyte show, you have to be able to analyze layered stats., much of it disavowed, made off as non-existent, some of it not collected (deliberately?). We can't. So the best is what we can actually see, what we know. Some of it is objective, some subjective.

 

[Black Sheep]

The comments in this thread are shocking.

Not sure if it is because of some inherent dislike towards a certain demographic which just can't be stated outright.

The last thing I would do in let's say a thread about Township Murders, where many people in that thread would probably have friends and family in townships, is to come in and start posting about how these murders aren't exceptional, and nothing special compared in the broader context of crime in South Africa. Especially when the latest incident was the absolutely brutal torture and inhumane murder of a boy.

And this is even without having to take into account broader societal and political narratives being pushed about how people in townships are evil, or certain groups chanting about how these people should be killed.

Not sure what goes through these people's minds when they post this stuff, but as I hinted to above, might be that another factor is at play. whether consciously or subconsciously.

 

[Craig_]

There is a problem when people being murdered and tortured are not acknowledged, trying to bury them in other stats.

This has been a long time game if you go back. SAPS did not even have the numbers, it was of no consequence to them. That resulted in a shyte show of it's own. It was found they downplayed the problem. Of course Afriforum was not popular when their numbers proved more correct. Evil Afriforum! Evil Afriforum is claiming genocide! (no they did not and is still the strawman we see today to downplay this).

We also need to ask why the UN would have decided to acknowledge them, considering the massive resources available to the UN to divide bulldust from facts.

It's easy being smart, fanning flames and playing clevuh racial games when other peoples' lives are at stake. If only we actually had a civilized country with a functioning police system. But then again, as Neil Walsh at the UN said: "By the time it comes to policing, it may already be too late". It's not just the SOEs etc that have failed, it the whole concept of human dignity and protection of our constitution, it's gamed. Of course, political ideology plays into this. Our PP has failed us, the HRC is a joke. This causes a problem for the 'kings'. Hey, I have an idea, let's blame apartheid fan the flames some more to take the heat away! Hate speech is a thing in South Africa, yet only monkeys are acknowledge, serious issues made of as of lesser consequence.

To understand this shyte show, you have to be able to analyze layered stats., much of it disavowed, made off as non-existent, some of it not collected (deliberately?). We can't. So the best is what we can actually see, what we know. Some of it is objective, some subjective.

The police and the whole justice system is useless, it applies to everyone. A colleague recently called the police because someone was trying to break in, her family came to assist and the arseholes ran away, the police arrived two days later and said it rained, so even if they take finger prints it's useless. We all suffer under this, farmers more so because they are in secluded rural areas. And yes, I also believe this has some sort of political motivation behind it, but in this thread it seems to be some game to people from both sides.

 

[Craig_]

Only solution to all of this for me would be if the ANC were to be voted out, and not in favour of the retards in red because that would make it even worse.

 

[R13...]

I asked TheChamp. Not you.

What I am saying is that white people who live in rural areas are getting murdered at disproportionately higher rates than other murder victims. These crimes are accelerating.

Attacks are higher but deaths lower. As reported by Afriforum.

 

[rambo919]

I think you're right, but you are about to be called a libtard by the genocide crowd.

Don't get me wrong, whites are still the preferred target of the main revolutionary factions, the difference is that on the ground class itself has become more important as whites are not monolithically relatively wealthy to the degree that they once were.

One is reminded of past supposed xenophobic riots where the people were reminded that the capitalists(whites) are the real enemy not other blacks and this is why they should stop attacking foreigners..... meaning the violence would have been fine if the targets were white.

 

[rambo919]

Attacks are higher but deaths lower. As reported by Afriforum.

Because people are getting better at defence.

 

[gottagoon]

Thugs threaten to tape kids:

We will rape your kids, 9 attackers tell farmer | News24

A farmer, his wife and four children – three girls and one boy aged between 6 and 18 – have been attacked on their farm in Westonaria, Gauteng.

www.news24.com

 

[vigras rojara]

The comments in this thread are shocking.

Not sure if it is because of some inherent dislike towards a certain demographic which just can't be stated outright.

The last thing I would do in let's say a thread about Township Murders, where many people in that thread would probably have friends and family in townships, is to come in and start posting about how these murders aren't exceptional, and nothing special compared in the broader context of crime in South Africa. Especially when the latest incident was the absolutely brutal torture and inhumane murder of a boy.

And this is even without having to take into account broader societal and political narratives being pushed about how people in townships are evil, or certain groups chanting about how these people should be killed.

Not sure what goes through these people's minds when they post this stuff, but as I hinted to above, might be that another factor is at play. whether consciously or subconsciously.

This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.

And I haven't seen anyone here denying that farm attacks are despicable.

 

[Black Sheep]

This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.

And I haven't seen anyone here denying that farm attacks are despicable.

Please show me where I said no one should discuss matters.
Deliberately trying to misconstrue what I said .. interesting.

"And I haven't seen anyone here denying that farm attacks are despicable. "

Nothing to do with the point I was making.

 

[rambo919]

Only solution to all of this for me would be if the ANC were to be voted out, and not in favour of the retards in red because that would make it even worse.

They will never voluntarily leave though, the only way to get them out of power would be to beat them out..... be it figuratively or literally.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I wish we could get stats to see if this is true or not.

To give you some insight. We know it's bad, but how bad is anybody's guess. This also goes with my earlier post on the stats not being reliable at SAPS. Even the experts have opinions but no hard numbers.

ANALYSIS: Why calculating a farm murder rate in South Africa is near impossible

In a parliamentary debate, two different rates for the number of people murdered on farms in South Africa were mentioned. But experts say that it’s almost impossible to accurately calculate such a figure.

africacheck.org

INSIGHT | Farm murders and rural crime: Unpacking violence, race and statistics | News24

Official statistics indicate there have been an increase in farm attacks since the end of the hard lockdown, but it is less compared to 2019.

www.news24.com

 

[R13...]

These two things are very different, so your post makes zero sense.

How so? Those like you believing there's more to farm attacked always vacillate between genocide and the attacks being driven by political hands behind the scenes. Sometimes even believing there's political calls to exterminate white farmers.

 

[Emjay]

How so? Those like you believing there's more to farm attacked always vacillate between genocide and the attacks being driven by political hands behind the scenes. Sometimes even believing there's political calls to exterminate white farmers.

Please show me where I have said this is a genocide.

 

[Emjay]

What does Land or Death mean, @R13... ?



Tell us. Does political speech have any consequences or does it not?

 

[The Darkness]

Don't see this anywhere, either this is an intelligence false flag operation or someone else is gonna start flinging serious poop around.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10160274336471102

EDIT: nvm

I'm curious how people think this guy can be trusted though? He calls himself a soldier, yet he was a traitor to the then government, and MK fighter and an ANC member for 32 years. Can a leopard change its spots?

 

[R13...]

What does Land or Death mean, @R13... ?

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Tell us. Does political speech have any consequences or does it not?

Minor party looking for attention (I think they're dead (as a party)).
Also it seems to mean they get land or death so, a bit awkward.

 

[Emjay]

Minor party looking for attention (I think they're dead (as a party)).
Also it seems to mean they get land or death so, a bit awkward.

In your mind it is out of the realm of possibility that inflammatory comments made by authoritarian and batshit crazy politicians will not incite people to go out and harm others who they perceive to squander or steal wealth?