Farm Attacks

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There is now video evidence spilling out into the public. That Nyala did run into crowd, 2 children had to pulled away, or they would have most certainly been run over by the police. The media ****ed the reporting up, the police most definitely escalated this.
 
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I wouldn't trust the media in any case, now that some truths are going public. They stating that they have been assaulted by the protesters was absurd, if you push a camera into someone's face for a story and gets pushed away then you are the **** for crying foul over it.
 
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Yoh that is way too long haha. Tldr version?
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He covers a lot of ground, but some key points are:

* Peaceful protest, people brought their children and babies along
* Small media was there, of the big media only SABC was there
* He mentions two shots, not three. He is under the impression the shots were aimed at the farmers and went past their shoulders in his opinion.
* News24 only climbed on the story once things got rough (when shots were fired I think)
* News24 article nonsense. Article composed of imagery from social media and in wrong sequence, notably the police vehicle set alight first which actually happened much later.
* He watched the video of the police commissioner who is claimed to have sourced News24 and the allegations made in the article are not in the video but he admits that those things may have been said later by the commissioner.
* Only a handful of farmers entered the building, they were checked for arms before allowed to enter.
* The police in the building fired the shots, not 'perhaps' farmers outside.
* There were 2 Nyala's, when the second one rammed into (toward) a woman and her 2 children a farmer grabbed/tackled them to safety.
* This was when the other vehicle was toppled in order to 'disarm' it and preventing ramming.
* The Nyalas/police were blocked off to prevent chaos, this led to a peaceful situation where people resumed praying.
* According to him everybody eventually left. He himself went to a Wimpy for coffee and after some time in the Wimpy they saw smoke. According to him there passed at least 30 minutes to an hour after the vehicle was toppled until it was set alight. He seems to imply that it was not a farmer but nobody knows who set it alight.

But tomorrow the eff does something similar and then what? Will we defend them or not?
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It won't be similar, especially not the praying to God.
 
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No, writing WE DEMAND then making unachievable demands is the game. What are they going to do? They can't even enjoy the same level of security and policing as everyone else, now they are expected to deal out threats on a different level?

They are speaking for all farmers when nobody elected these crazy a**holes to speak for them. If you are a crazy nut that believes in genocide, call yourself a suidlander, but don't call yourself a profession of others that don't believe in the same level of crap as you do(the ROYAL you, not YOU).

The got as much tiger in them as BLF
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Please just don't. Even now I can rip you a new one with what you said to highlight your BS understanding or lack thereof. Go play your insincere pseudo wokey games somewhere else, perhaps your games thread.

This is not the time and place.
 
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Like who nogals? The cops that do more to help than hinder the attackers? The politicians that only pretend to care? The other groups of people only interested in themselves? Who exactly in your fascinating imagination is ACTUALLY trying to help them?

No they are on their own and they know it.


You want to feel superior over people that believe this is part of a genocide and you blather on about it as if you can bully people into believing differently by the sheer force of your higher intelligence..... that's what's stupid.

No one cares what the presidential puppet of the ruling party says, what he actually DOES is what matters.
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If nobody is doing anything for them, then they are on their own anyway, no reason to make demands.

No, no, posting about a genocide IS stupid. Writing to the main man in charge of "the genocide" asking him to stip is as stupid as me writing to you asking you to hand over all the the white monopoly capital. They might as well be writing about lizard people. This isn't about superiority, they are genuinely deluded and hurting their own cause.

What can he do when the very people he is trying to help are telling him to go fly a kite?
 
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Please just don't. Even now I can rip you a new one with what you said to highlight your BS understanding or lack thereof. Go play your insincere pseudo wokey games somewhere else, perhaps your games thread.

This is not the time and place.
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Rip me a new one, defend the genocide narrative. Tell me who other than government can help? Or should I go be productive like the other activists and go post racist memes on my private group to help the farmers?
 
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STS said:
If nobody is doing anything for them, then they are on their own anyway, no reason to make demands.

No, no, posting about a genocide IS stupid. Writing to the main man in charge of "the genocide" asking him to stip is as stupid as me writing to you asking you to hand over all the the white monopoly capital. They might as well be writing about lizard people. This isn't about superiority, they are genuinely deluded and hurting their own cause.

What can he do when the very people he is trying to help are telling him to go fly a kite?
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I wonder if you are stupid or just ignorant..... they HAVE to go through the motions before anyone can take more concrete steps. They HAVE to be able to say they at least tried.

Honestly, the language use you love so much is no different in effect than calling someone a k-r.... you are a major hypocrite. You use the words you do because you feel superior to these people you deem to be less intelligent than yourself.... it's obvious why you do it otherwise you would have used other words.
 
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I wonder if you are stupid or just ignorant..... they HAVE to go through the motions before anyone can take more concrete steps. They HAVE to be able to say they at least tried.

Honestly, the language use you love so much is no different in effect than calling someone a k-r.... you are a major hypocrite. You use the words you do because you feel superior to these people you deem to be less intelligent than yourself.... it's obvious why you do it otherwise you would have used other words.
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That is my whole entire point - they are NOT trying. They made a list of demands they KNEW wouldn't be met. Any idiot can see it and you just pointed it out yourself.

What words? My adjectives?
 
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That is my whole entire point - they are NOT trying. They made a list of demands they KNEW wouldn't be met. Any idiot can see it and you just pointed it out yourself.
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And I have plainly said why they did it anyway..... this is the way the world works, everything is a process.


What words? My adjectives?
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Your various slurs (and vapid attempts at slurs), as if you do not know.
 
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And I have plainly said why they did it anyway..... this is the way the world works, everything is a process.



Your various slurs (and vapid attempts at slurs), as if you do not know.
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And I pointed it out, self fulfilling prophecy. So why are you butthurt about me pointing something we both agree on and is obvious?

I do not know what slurs, coz I disagree with them but do not hate them, so I doubt anything qualifies as a slur. Especially since in another thread a page full of racist content doesn't qualify as racist to you, yet somehow my "slurs" pale in comparison and are somehow bugging you
 
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Bheki Cele have condemned the violent protest, and have called on the protesters to be arrested.
 
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STS said:
And I pointed it out, self fulfilling prophecy. So why are you butthurt about me pointing something we both agree on and is obvious?

I do not know what slurs, coz I disagree with them but do not hate them, so I doubt anything qualifies as a slur. Especially since in another thread a page full of racist content doesn't qualify as racist to you, yet somehow my "slurs" pale in comparison and are somehow bugging you
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You cannot be that much of a moron, I am done with your trolling, I have said my peace.
 
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All I want now is a timeline to establish the escalation periods. In the case the police did escalate that which is known and how it played out then something is seriously wrong here. The police have a mandate, and they have a responsibility towards the citizens.

I don’t agree with the police van being burned out, though I don’t believe it was deliberately set alight, there is a notable video indicating that the police did use force with a vehicle to enter the premises, and after that escalation, the police van episode, but there is no definite timeline of the events, neither of when the van caught fire. It is a bunch of videos, one even stitched together for some reason, but no timestamps.

The burning police van is the perfect moment for changing the narrative at the moment, and it is this specific event being used by Cele’s for announcing this as a violent protest, which may have been provoked by his own department. The government may be playing with the real fire here.

Also note, Cele said nothing of gunshots, I wonder why ;)
 
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Fulcrum29 said:
All I want now is a timeline to establish the escalation periods. In the case the police did escalate that which is known and how it played out then something is seriously wrong here. The police have a mandate, and they have a responsibility towards the citizens.

I don’t agree with the police van being burned out, though I don’t believe it was deliberately set alight, there is a notable video indicating that the police did use force with a vehicle to enter the premises, and after that escalation, the police van episode, but there is no definite timeline of the events, neither of when the van caught fire. It is a bunch of videos, one even stitched together for some reason, but no timestamps.

The burning police van is the perfect moment for changing the narrative at the moment, and it is this specific event being used by Cele’s for announcing this as a violent protest, which may have been provoked by his own department. The government may be playing with the real fire here.

Also note, Cele said nothing of gunshots, I wonder why ;)
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Watch this. It makes sense now.

 
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etienne_marais said:
He covers a lot of ground, but some key points are:

* Peaceful protest, people brought their children and babies along
* Small media was there, of the big media only SABC was there
* He mentions two shots, not three. He is under the impression the shots were aimed at the farmers and went past their shoulders in his opinion.
* News24 only climbed on the story once things got rough (when shots were fired I think)
* News24 article nonsense. Article composed of imagery from social media and in wrong sequence, notably the police vehicle set alight first which actually happened much later.
* He watched the video of the police commissioner who is claimed to have sourced News24 and the allegations made in the article are not in the video but he admits that those things may have been said later by the commissioner.
* Only a handful of farmers entered the building, they were checked for arms before allowed to enter.
* The police in the building fired the shots, not 'perhaps' farmers outside.
* There were 2 Nyala's, when the second one rammed into (toward) a woman and her 2 children a farmer grabbed/tackled them to safety.
* This was when the other vehicle was toppled in order to 'disarm' it and preventing ramming.
* The Nyalas/police were blocked off to prevent chaos, this led to a peaceful situation where people resumed praying.
* According to him everybody eventually left. He himself went to a Wimpy for coffee and after some time in the Wimpy they saw smoke. According to him there passed at least 30 minutes to an hour after the vehicle was toppled until it was set alight. He seems to imply that it was not a farmer but nobody knows who set it alight.


It won't be similar, especially not the praying to God.
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Thanks. Still think many okes took it too far.
 
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