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Farm Attacks
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Tabac
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And the message is ? That these savages are not human. Scum, ***** of the earth.
thestaggy
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I've been of that opinion for a while now.
These attacks are not just ''normal'' crimes and shouldn't be viewed and treated as such. There is more to it.
R13...
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Some of them have motives other than economic crime, but you really can't apply a blanket over all of them. In this case it may have been between them and the guard. In other cases it relates to land or grazing pasture disputes but most of them appear to be criminals intent on robbery often with info/involvement of (former) employees.
Fulcrum29
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Wrong thread.
Seriously
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There's reasons why they put blinkers on race horses. It's to keep their view on the forced target and not stray towards reality. Thus when you do not want to see the truth you may as well wear you own mental blinkers.
supersunbird
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Says the one with the blinkers.... because all he said there are varied reasons. Sometimes it's just normal crime, other times it's definitely more than that, some hate or vengeance filled event.
2 farm attacks in Free State over weekend
More at: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/2-farm-attacks-in-free-state-over-weekend-20170313
More at: http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/2-farm-attacks-in-free-state-over-weekend-20170313
'More dangerous to be a farmer than a police officer in SA'
Cape Town - It is more dangerous to be a farmer than a police officer in SA, a debate on farm murders heard on Tuesday in the National Assembly.
Opening the discussion, which quickly turned into a race row, FF Plus MP Pieter Groenewald said there had been a decrease in farm murders because farmers were forced to protect themselves.
He said he understood that farm attacks did not only target whites, but that black farmers were also victims.
He also gave examples of horrific crimes against white farmers in the country, before asking for a moment of silence.
"If you look at the numbers, it is almost more dangerous to be a farmer than to be a police officer in the country," he said.
Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota got a standing ovation from a few members in the gallery when he said the right narrative on farm murders had to come from Parliament.
To stop what was going on in the country, MPs had to act like the elected leaders that they were.
He condemned President Jacob Zuma's call for expropriation of land without compensation, despite what was in the Constitution.
"When we say things that mislead our people into attacking each other, we are the prime source of the problem. Here we have someone who is telling people they are going to take land without compensation, someone who lacks political backbone," he said.
Lekota slammed some politicians such as Julius Malema, who has called for land expropriation without compensation.
"We cannot keep quiet when [EFF leader Julius] Malema stands on platforms and swears at some sections of the population, threatening them and saying they must wait until he comes into power. Men and women of backbone must speak so that our children are not misled."
'Vomiting on forgiveness'
Agang MP Andries Plouamma raised the ire of MPs when he called on "white farmers to stop vomiting on the forgiveness of black people".
He was accused of gross racial stereotyping when he said white farmers should "minimise their arrogance".
The EFF detailed the attacks on black farm workers in recent years, issues the FF Plus had overlooked, MP Hlengiwe Mkhalipi said.
This included the recent case of a farm worker who was forced into a coffin, and the worker who was shot and injured with a pellet gun, while riding a bicycle, because he had been "mistaken for a monkey".
"Black people have to endure the violence of poverty," she said.
DA MP Annette Steyn said farm murders were becoming so common that people did not bat an eyelid anymore when someone was murdered.
During 2015/16, a total of 18 673 murders were recorded - an average of 51.2 murders per day, she said.
"We may disagree with the reasons for [farm] murders, some may say it is because farmers mistreat their workers or because 'they stole our land', but we have to agree that the torture of any person by another is inhumane and barbaric."
Police Minister Nathi Nhleko said all lives mattered and farm murders were a concern just like all killings. He had no desire to trivialise the killings and attacks on farms, he said.
He detailed some of their successes in decreasing farm murders.
"A loss of life is one too many. These statistics are by no means celebratory," he said.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...a-farmer-than-a-police-officer-in-sa-20170314
Cape Town - It is more dangerous to be a farmer than a police officer in SA, a debate on farm murders heard on Tuesday in the National Assembly.
Opening the discussion, which quickly turned into a race row, FF Plus MP Pieter Groenewald said there had been a decrease in farm murders because farmers were forced to protect themselves.
He said he understood that farm attacks did not only target whites, but that black farmers were also victims.
He also gave examples of horrific crimes against white farmers in the country, before asking for a moment of silence.
"If you look at the numbers, it is almost more dangerous to be a farmer than to be a police officer in the country," he said.
Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota got a standing ovation from a few members in the gallery when he said the right narrative on farm murders had to come from Parliament.
To stop what was going on in the country, MPs had to act like the elected leaders that they were.
He condemned President Jacob Zuma's call for expropriation of land without compensation, despite what was in the Constitution.
"When we say things that mislead our people into attacking each other, we are the prime source of the problem. Here we have someone who is telling people they are going to take land without compensation, someone who lacks political backbone," he said.
Lekota slammed some politicians such as Julius Malema, who has called for land expropriation without compensation.
"We cannot keep quiet when [EFF leader Julius] Malema stands on platforms and swears at some sections of the population, threatening them and saying they must wait until he comes into power. Men and women of backbone must speak so that our children are not misled."
'Vomiting on forgiveness'
Agang MP Andries Plouamma raised the ire of MPs when he called on "white farmers to stop vomiting on the forgiveness of black people".
He was accused of gross racial stereotyping when he said white farmers should "minimise their arrogance".
The EFF detailed the attacks on black farm workers in recent years, issues the FF Plus had overlooked, MP Hlengiwe Mkhalipi said.
This included the recent case of a farm worker who was forced into a coffin, and the worker who was shot and injured with a pellet gun, while riding a bicycle, because he had been "mistaken for a monkey".
"Black people have to endure the violence of poverty," she said.
DA MP Annette Steyn said farm murders were becoming so common that people did not bat an eyelid anymore when someone was murdered.
During 2015/16, a total of 18 673 murders were recorded - an average of 51.2 murders per day, she said.
"We may disagree with the reasons for [farm] murders, some may say it is because farmers mistreat their workers or because 'they stole our land', but we have to agree that the torture of any person by another is inhumane and barbaric."
Police Minister Nathi Nhleko said all lives mattered and farm murders were a concern just like all killings. He had no desire to trivialise the killings and attacks on farms, he said.
He detailed some of their successes in decreasing farm murders.
"A loss of life is one too many. These statistics are by no means celebratory," he said.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...a-farmer-than-a-police-officer-in-sa-20170314
etienne_marais
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According to Mike Smith:
http://mikesmithspoliticalcommentar.../woman-tortured-on-south-african-farm-in.html
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Intruder killed during North West farm attack
Potchefstroom – An alleged intruder was killed during an apparent farm attack in Roodekraal, Potchefstroom, on Thursday morning, North West police said.
A gardener saw three men approach the farm house at 08:00 and raised the alarm, spokesperson Lt-Col Pelonomi Makau said.
The gardener’s son informed the domestic worker and they tried to close all the doors to the house. One intruder however managed to make his way inside, where the 72-year-old farm owner confronted him.
During their confrontation, the man was shot dead. His alleged accomplices ran away.
No arrests have been made and police are investigating.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/intruder-killed-during-north-west-farm-attack-20170323
Potchefstroom – An alleged intruder was killed during an apparent farm attack in Roodekraal, Potchefstroom, on Thursday morning, North West police said.
A gardener saw three men approach the farm house at 08:00 and raised the alarm, spokesperson Lt-Col Pelonomi Makau said.
The gardener’s son informed the domestic worker and they tried to close all the doors to the house. One intruder however managed to make his way inside, where the 72-year-old farm owner confronted him.
During their confrontation, the man was shot dead. His alleged accomplices ran away.
No arrests have been made and police are investigating.
News24
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/intruder-killed-during-north-west-farm-attack-20170323
etienne_marais
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ANC MP calls for white farmers to be buried alive - AfriForum
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politics/anc-mp-calls-for-white-farmers-to-be-buried-alive-
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politics/anc-mp-calls-for-white-farmers-to-be-buried-alive-
we should bury him alive & whoever else who wants to stand up for him, how much more can we take? you know what why don't they come try burying the farmers alive instead of cowardly killing them off 1 by 1 if they not scared of the farmers then why not do what they say
etienne_marais
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Hosehead
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Promises Manana should be hauled before a disciplinary committee of the ANC and separately prosecuted...for hate speech
that would be great because the world needs to know what is happening here, i blame botha he should of made a deal with europe for whoever wants to leave to make a way for us to leave or let us have our civil war but how he left us is not on. i hate this land i despise it, i hate the fact that every single day of my life i have to be here. i'm not african i don't want to be i don't want to be south african it sucks 1 of the worst countries in the world i would be anywhere in europe than here & i'm sure there is a lot of dutchman here who feel the same, i can't leave because i don't have a stupid education. a afrikaner is dutch,french & german at least i am & i expect atleast 1 of those countries to open up it's doors to me we can even do some d.n.a tests or something but being here sucks, what is there to be proud of? the murder or rape rate? it's a hell hole that we are forced to be in.yah, but something like that just might make it to CNN
don't mean to sound like a mad man but just had enough of this country i get it i don't belong here i just want a exit plan
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TheChamp
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:wtf:
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lol then just leave. Why do you need someone to make a deal on your behalf. Don't have an education, well get one, you also had 27 years. Moaning that you want free stuff makes you exactly the same as any EFF/ANC member that wants free land.
Some of us like it here, I have a nice comfy life. If you can't even make something of yourself here why do you think you would have any success in Europe? A lot of us are working on the security problem. Farmers that need help sould only ask for it.