Farm Attacks

[CyraxHB]

Nobody blames the farmer. Murder is still wrong even when there's no security.

The fact remains if the farmer want to farm in SA. They would have to deal with the fact that they are a target. Do whatever it takew to give themselves a fighting chance and then defend themselves.
Its kind of a surprise when everyone else can see this and then you here of some farmer being killed when the criminals waited for him in his house because he left the windows open.

The security measures taken by people in the city does work. If you at least have some basic security the scum just looking for a soft target will pass you by.

Security measures in cities work slightly better because you've got neighbours all around, armed response seconds away and cop stations all over. None of that is available to farmers. Very different circumstances.

I doubt farm attackers are concerned with the targets security measures. They attack in large numbers and are heavily armed.

 

[STS]

I'm firmly of the opinion that a number of these attacks and murders are politically motivated.

Its no surprise that these attacks are getting out of hand when the land issue is in the spotlight and you have two-bit politicians telling people that they must fight for and take their land.

the other other issue is that it's not like these are sane productive members of society going to take farms - it's either messed up criminals or people that know the farmers. it's similar to once again using women as an example, to comparing the violence against women as an agenda to keep a women from becoming president.

even if people murder the farmers, they are not getting in land, they are not being hailed as heroes, they are most likely not even affiliated with the ANC in any way - they are just criminals who target similar people violently that the government targets with different rhetoric

 

[supersunbird]

Security measures in cities work slightly better because you've got neighbours all around, armed response seconds away and cop stations all over. None of that is available to farmers. Very different circumstances.

I doubt farm attackers are always concerned with the targets security measures. They sometimes attack in large numbers and are heavily armed.

Improved that for you

 

[Purply]

Farmers are attacked because they are easy prey, it's really that simple, has very little to do with race?

 

[rietrot]

Security measures in cities work slightly better because you've got neighbours all around, armed response seconds away and cop stations all over. None of that is available to farmers. Very different circumstances.

I doubt farm attackers are concerned with the targets security measures. They attack in large numbers and are heavily armed.

No. People in the cities don't give a shıt most of the time. Some police stations don't even have vehicles so even if they are 5km away they still can't get to you or take 30 min in any case. Armed response is a luxury, most people can't afford. A block over from me there's some idiot with a falty alarm that goes of every second day so no one goes and check if they're okay. The other neighbour's child screams like she is being raped when just playing outside, so again no one bothers with checking to se if everything is okay.

Farms have a advantage that the people still have a sense of community. Everyone knows everyone so it's easy to spot outsiders. Were in the city a criminal can stand right outside your gate and you won't be sure if they have bad intentions or if its just someone going through your garbage looking for stuff to recycle.

Edit: the second part is also BS. Most of the attacker target elderly people and over power them and beat them with blunt objects. They are rarely heavily armed. And even if they are I am willing to bet they don't practice shooting a lot. So any farmers can defend themselves with a handgun or hunting rifle and sone basic security measures in place.

 

[Dreamboat]

Farmers are attacked because they are easy prey, it's really that simple, has very little to do with race?

:wtf:

 

[STS]

:wtf:

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[Dreamboat]

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

One of those "fat kid calling the skinny kid fat" moments (or fat fat fat fat fat in this instance). :wtf:

 

[Pitbull]

Do you and your wife hold a dual license for the shotgun in that safe? I think you should perhaps relook your post and remove some information but that's just my opinion.

:erm:

lol?

My wife is fully allowed to use a weapon to defend herself with or without my presence. I would love to hear some judge finding her guilty of murder if she used a weapon (my weapon) to defend herself...

 

[rietrot]

Farmers are attacked because they are easy prey, it's really that simple, has very little to do with race?

Both. And its hard to say which is which. The degree of violence would suggest hate.

 

[Kloofvreter]

So now my FB is flooded with more slacktivists pleading with everyone to wear black and share a photo of a black t shirt.

 

[CyraxHB]

No. People in the cities don't give a shıt most of the time. Some police stations don't even have vehicles so even if they are 5km away they still can't get to you or take 30 min in any case. Armed response is a luxury, most people can't afford. A block over from me there's some idiot with a falty alarm that goes of every second day so no one goes and check if they're okay. The other neighbour's child screams like she is being raped when just playing outside, so again no one bothers with checking to se if everything is okay.

Farms have a advantage that the people still have a sense of community. Everyone knows everyone so it's easy to spot outsiders. Were in the city a criminal can stand right outside your gate and you won't be sure if they have bad intentions or if its just someone going through your garbage looking for stuff to recycle.

Edit: the second part is also BS. Most of the attacker target elderly people and over power them and beat them with blunt objects. They are rarely heavily armed. And even if they are I am willing to bet they don't practice shooting a lot. So any farmers can defend themselves with a handgun or hunting rifle and sone basic security measures in place.

Nope. Farmers nearest neighbours are km's away, so might have a sense of community at the golf club on Saturdays, but helps little when they don't know you're being attacked.

If you think city cop stations are bad maybe go see the small town ones. They rarely have working vehicles, letalone answer the phone.

Staff live on the farms so there are often people coming and going. It's not like the farmer is there completely on his own. He also can't accost everyone who enters the property as we know the political fallout that will come from that.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

I'm firmly of the opinion that a number of these attacks and murders are politically motivated.

So, basically ANC/EFF motivated? Do you think that ANC/EFF bribed (Or worse, threatened) Afriforum so that they don't pick up this investigation?

 

[Pitbull]

So now my FB is flooded with more slacktivists pleading with everyone to wear black and share a photo of a black t shirt.

Yea it's farking retarded!

No one notices wearing a black damn shirt or marching down a street in the thousands. The farmers should take their Trucks/Bakkies/Cars/Tracktors and what not, block all the damn roads and not move till someone listens. This silent protest shyte doesn't work. Never has, never will...

 

[Kloofvreter]

Yea it's farking retarded!

No one notices wearing a black damn shirt or marching down a street in the thousands. The farmers should take their Trucks/Bakkies/Cars/Tracktors and what not, block all the damn roads and not move till someone listens. This silent protest shyte doesn't work. Never has, never will...

It's no better than #ThoughtsAndPrayers and these fckers are of opinion that when they stand together things will change.

 

[konfab]

So, basically ANC/EFF motivated?

Those two parties throw a lot of fuel onto the fire, and the ANC is responsible for getting rid of the commando system.

 

[rietrot]

Staff live on the farms so there are often people coming and going. It's not like the farmer is there completely on his own. He also can't accost everyone who enters the property as we know the political fallout that will come from that.

Another area were the farmers can do better. The staff need to be incorporated into the security measures. The farmers need to work with the staff and treat them like employees in a profession business. There should never just be random unknown people on the farm. The workers even have more of a community and would easily recognise someone that don't belong.

 

[CyraxHB]

Another area were the farmers can do better. The staff need to be incorporated into the security measures. The farmers need to work with the staff and treat them like employees in a profession business. There should never just be random unknown people on the farm. The workers even have more of a community and would easily recognise someone that don't belong.

Anyone who has spent some time with the average farm worker would know better. They are often involved in the problems, especially with local ANC councilors constantly poisoning their minds against farmers.

 

[thestaggy]

So, basically ANC/EFF motivated? Do you think that ANC/EFF bribed (Or worse, threatened) Afriforum so that they don't pick up this investigation?

When you have politcians, with seats in parliament, saying sh*t like this...

That the descendants of colonial murderers, barterers, and robbers continue to occupy, use and benefit from illegally and illegitimately acquired land is not in dispute amongst sensible and rational South Africans.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...d-in-municipalities-we-govern-malema-20160607

It no doubt serves to rile up the gullible and desperate and has turned hard-working farmers in to beneficiaries of criminal behavior.

Maybe you think I am reaching by accusing him of labeling farmers as criminals, but then he can also say it directly to dispel any doubt;

He said: “The rightful owners of the land are black people. No white person is a rightful owner of the land here in South Africa and whole of the African continent.”

https://www.sapeople.com/2016/11/07...hints-white-slaughter-land-back-south-africa/

We see, on a near daily basis, how the poor and hopeless take the law in to their own hands when dealing with criminals, some of whom may even be wrongly accused.

Even brainless #1 has had his bit to say on the rightful ownership of land;

“People of South Africa, where you see a beautiful land, take it, it belongs to you,”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...confiscation-white-land-without-compensation/

Violence against a group - as history has repeatedly taught us - becomes easier when you start criminalising and dehumanising them.

And remember, people in positions of power don't need to be directly involved in the dirty stuff, they can quite easily facilitate it by encouraging it through inflammatory speech (illegal land occupation, take the land back, its yours, they got it by murdering your ancestors, etc) and then ignoring the fall out or not addressing it.

Maybe insinuating direct political involvement was off base, but no doubt that at the very least political agitation is at play.

 

[ISP cash cow]

More at: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...es-more-at-risk-of-being-murdered--afriforum/

According to AfriForum‚ 156 commercial farmers are killed per 100,000. According to the police’s annual crime statistics released on Tuesday‚ 34.1 South Africans are murdered per 100,000 of the population.

there is something wrong with that stat.

How can you get 156 of a "group" murdered per 100 000 but the crime stats show that only 34.1 South Africans (which includes that group) are murdered per 100 000?

Either the amount of farm murders per 100 000 is wrong or the amount of south africans murdered per 100 000 is wrong