Farm Attacks

thestaggy said:
Where did I say farmers mustn't defend themselves? I said they cannot go it alone.

Political noise is the least concerning thing. Remember what happened in Eshowe when a security guard shot and killed a trespasser?

www.timeslive.co.za

Farmer flees property before protesters set it alight

An eShowe farmer‚ fearing for his life‚ managed to flee his home just hours before it was overrun by a mob of rioters on Sunday night.
www.timeslive.co.za www.timeslive.co.za

In another incident a kid drowned and it caused chaos.



zululandobserver.co.za

Mtubatuba farm comes under attack by angry community | Zululand Observer

Around 200 residents from the neighbouring community set fire to homesteads and equipment this afternoon
zululandobserver.co.za zululandobserver.co.za

Now have a bunch of guys in tactical gear driving around and then people start getting shot at and driven off. Throw in political agitation and you really have to be ignorant to things to not see where this could possibly end up.
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Private security in tactical gear is already a thing. I don't understand what your problem is.
 
thestaggy said:
Now have a bunch of guys in tactical gear driving around and then people start getting shot at and driven off. Throw in political agitation and you really have to be ignorant to things to not see where this could possibly end up.
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It has ended up here. People getting their throats cut and left bleeding to death in front of their families. WOMEN. Pregnant women. Mother of God. It has reached an evil evil point...
 
Datura said:
The only point of yours that I agree with is quoted in bold font.

The rest of your post is scape-goat reasoning for not getting involved.

If you care that people are being murdered for no good reason and want to make a difference, those reasons are cowardice.

Fsck political sensitivity. People are getting murdered! People. Human beings. I hate most of them but, Jesus... surely we can help. The government is hushing it because it fits their racist agenda. Time to show them that we won't stand for it. I can't do it alone. I don't even know where to start.

EDIT: Fsck these tweets and youtube clips. EVERYBODY KNOWS what is going on. NOBODY is doing a thing. Myself included.

Give me a solid tactic to combat it and I will come home to assist. I can't think of one.
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I like to call it reality, where violent acts of revenge (evidence linked in a previous comment) and inflammatory political rhetoric are in play.

PS - Private security in suburbs work with and have the support of SAPS. Even my local community policing forum works with SAPS. By all means mobilise and arm yourselves, just make sure you have support from local government/law enforcement so when things escalate you don't get thrown under the bus like the guys were in the Cape.
 
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Datura said:
It has ended up here. People getting their throats cut and left bleeding to death in front of their families. WOMEN. Pregnant women. Mother of God. It has reached an evil evil point...
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Fsck it. You lot will talk this into its moer and do nothing more.
 
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thestaggy said:
I like to call it reality, where violent acts of revenge (evidence linked in a previous comment) and inflammatory political rhetoric are in play.

PS - Private security in suburbs work with and have the support of SAPS. Even my local community policing forum works with SAPS. By all means mobilise and arm yourselves, just make sure you have support for when things escalate.
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It is NOT revenge! Protection.

This is fscking Rhodesia all over again. Look where those dumb fscks are sitting with all the blood on their hands. "hErE HaVe MoNeY To CoMe BaCk PlEaSe..."...
 
Datura said:
It is NOT revenge! Protection.

This is fscking Rhodesia all over again. Look where those dumb fscks are sitting with all the blood on their hands. "hErE HaVe MoNeY To CoMe BaCk PlEaSe..."...
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Not real money and they don't really want them back.
 
Datura said:
It is NOT revenge! Protection.

This is fscking Rhodesia all over again. Look where those dumb fscks are sitting with all the blood on their hands. "hErE HaVe MoNeY To CoMe BaCk PlEaSe..."...
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What are you on about?

A security guard shot a guy for trespassing. In revenge the community burned the farm down.

A farmer chased people off his land for trespassing. In revenge the community burned the farm down.

We have politicians spewing all sorts of bile about farmers and land owners.

This isn't an environment where you go rambo and its all good.

I'm all for farmers protecting themselves, but it isn't lost on me how out of hand things will get if there is no support from government on this.
 
Farmers or their security should torture these fcks when caught. Cut their fingers off, pour salt on the wounds, cut their throats and to make sure put a bullet in the head. Make this news for the other fcks who want to target farmers.
 
thestaggy said:
What are you on about?

A security guard shot a guy for trespassing. In revenge the community burned the farm down.

A farmer chased people off his land for trespassing. In revenge the community burned the farm down.

We have politicians spewing all sorts of bile about farmers and land owners.

This isn't an environment where you go rambo and its all good.

I'm all for farmers protecting themselves, but it isn't lost on me how out of hand things will get if there is no support from government on this.
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You have one bad example of a security gard that was in the wrong vs thousands of security guards that do their job every day.

Nobody is saying go all rambo.
 
STS said:
Let's go full conspiracy mode say it is intentional, now what? How do we fix it?
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Idk dude, it is really not an easy thing to fix. The best would be to get rid of this government and have the country be governed by people that actually want our country to be the awesome place it can be. Have a government that will not just sit back and watch the total lawlessness take place, have one that does it's job and protects it's people.
 
HunterNW said:
Farmers or their security should torture these fcks when caught. Cut their fingers off, pour salt on the wounds, cut their throats and to make sure put a bullet in the head. Make this news for the other fcks who want to target farmers.
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Just don't make a video recording of it.
 
rietrot said:
You have one bad example of a security gard that was in the wrong vs thousands of security guards that do their job every day.

Nobody is saying go all rambo.
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I gave two examples, one of those examples involved a death that was not caused by the farmer or security and yet the farm was trashed in revenge.

How many of those thousands of security guards work in a politically charged environment? The security in Clifton were also doing what they were hired to do and even worked directly with SAPS, but that didn't mean a thing when the usual suspects waded in and made it a mess because it fit their agenda.

Farmers need support on this because of the politics involved. They need to know that if they start actively countering these attacks they're not going to be chucked under the bus. Also the scope of the previous Commando System, if something like that was re-implemented I don't even think government could fund it on its own so it would have to be everyone getting involved. At its peak there were as many as 70,000 operators.
 
There's a video circulating of tractors, trucks etc blocking roads supposesly in protest against farm murders.

Has anyone seen it and do you believe it? Reason I ask is those tractors all look newish.

It's not the footage from Makwasi so Black Monday 2 years ago.

EDIT: as usual can't post video.
 
maumau said:
There's a video circulating of tractors, trucks etc blocking roads supposesly in protest against farm murders.

Has anyone seen it and do you believe it? Reason I ask is those tractors all look newish.

It's not the footage from Makwasi so Black Monday 2 years ago.

EDIT: as usual can't post video.
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Some more articles (one also showing the suspects):
www.news24.com

Northern Cape family farm murders: 5 accused to remain behind bars | News24

The five people accused of attacking and kidnapping a Northern Cape family on their smallholding before killing them, made a brief appearance in court on Thursday.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
www.foodformzansi.co.za

Shocking new details emerge about triple farm murder

As new detail begin to emerge about a triple farm murder in the Northern Cape, the agricultural sector has united
www.foodformzansi.co.za www.foodformzansi.co.za
 
That image makes more sense. I saw a different article and was thinking that Donderdagoggend was a very unusual surname.

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