Farmer 'sabotaged' road

Flanders said:
...is perfectly valid? Wow.
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wikk3d88 said:
Valid? No. Just as stupid as marine1s gems.
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Blocking your ears and singing "nanananananana!" won't change reality.

From the perspective of many black South Africans the interpretation of violent crime against farm owners is equally clear, but opposite, tending to attribute the "farm attacks" to longstanding ill treatment of farm labor. (401) As one employee of the Department of Land Affairs commented: "The attacks are not politically motivated, in the sense of being organized, but many arise from a culture of barbarism. The taking of the land was done by the gun, and some of the farmers still enjoy today making people suffer just to show their supremacy. Then if something small happens it can lead to brutality in revenge." (402) A union worker put it similarly: "You can't divorce the farm attacks from our history and the fact that farmers refuse to take steps to transform life on farms; they still take it that they are the owners of the universe." (403) A black policeman agreed: "The treatment on farms is not human.... That's why you find attacks on farmers; the attitude of white farmers against black workers causes blacks to retaliate. They still have the attitude that you have no rights." (404) Commenting on reports of a farm owner who forced his workers to share accommodation with pigs, the ANC issued a statement that "it is an open secret that some of the brutal attacks on farmers are revenge attacks by farmworkers who have been brutalized by their employers. It is unfortunate that sometimes it is innocent farmers who pay the price for the actions of their racist colleagues."
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In June 2000, a spokesperson for the SANDF Regional Joint Task Force North stated to the press that a study of the forty most recent "attacks on farms and smallholdings" in Northern Province and Mpumalanga revealed that as many as 22.5 percent were motivated by revenge;
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In individual cases, the victims identify revenge as a motive: "There is no doubt they came to kill.... We believe they were hired by a farmworker who sought revenge after a disagreement with his employer." (424) In other cases, individuals with knowledge of a case will report that there had been confrontations between the farm owner and a farmworker, and then one of the workers had been involved in the killing. (425) In one April 1998 case in the Piet Retief area, a white visitor to a farm was shot and killed with an AK-47 rifle at the entrance to the farm he was visiting. Nothing was stolen. The police subsequently learned that the murder had been carried out in planned revenge for eviction of several families from the farm, but that the perpetrators had mistaken the identity of their victim.
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http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/safrica2/Safarms7.htm

The official definition of farm attacks is as follows: ‘Attacks on farms and smallholdings refer to acts aimed at the person of residents, workers and visitors to farms and smallholdings, whether with the intent to murder, rape, rob or inflict bodily harm. In addition, all actions aimed at disrupting farming activities as a commercial concern, whether for motives related to ideology, labour disputes, land issues, revenge, grievances, racist concerns or intimidation, should be included.
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http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/farmattacks/_pdf/summary.pdf
 
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Redeemed said:
Blocking your ears and singing "nanananananana!" won't change reality.





http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/safrica2/Safarms7.htm


http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/farmattacks/_pdf/summary.pdf
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You really needn't have posted all that, Redeemed. It's not like we don't know that to some members of our society, the value of human life is considered less than say, a cell phone or the contents of a wallet. It's the attempted justification in saying oh, that's why farmers are being attacked - for digging a flipping hole in a road! No, there is no excuse for it and it is not okay, full stop.
 
Flanders said:
You really needn't have posted all that, Redeemed. It's not like we don't know that to some members of our society, the value of human life is considered less than say, a cell phone or the contents of a wallet. It's the attempted justification in saying oh, that's why farmers are being attacked - for digging a flipping hole in a road! No, there is no excuse for it and it is not okay, full stop.
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Eish, mara akere he says it's one of the reasons. There are other reasons of which this is one. Come on man.
 
Flanders said:
You really needn't have posted all that, Redeemed. It's not like we don't know that to some members of our society, the value of human life is considered less than say, a cell phone or the contents of a wallet. It's the attempted justification in saying oh, that's why farmers are being attacked - for digging a flipping hole in a road! No, there is no excuse for it and it is not okay, full stop.
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He never said that it was justified, he just saw there being more to the situation than people being mindless drones and waking up one day deciding to kill a farmer.

How is what you've said any better? You're preaching to us, but you think a guy who robs you for your cellphone is going to care about you? You've never cared about him. With how often I've seen forumites wish that the ANC supporters would all disappear, you think it's any worse for you to stand between a desperate man and an object that can get him some money?
 
Flanders said:
You really needn't have posted all that, Redeemed. It's not like we don't know that to some members of our society, the value of human life is considered less than say, a cell phone or the contents of a wallet. It's the attempted justification in saying oh, that's why farmers are being attacked - for digging a flipping hole in a road! No, there is no excuse for it and it is not okay, full stop.
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*Sigh*, again:

Confusing an Explanation with an Excuse

Description: Treating an explanation of a fact as if it were a justification of the fact or a valid reason for the fact.
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I would prefer those attacks were not happening but retaliation is part of human nature.
 
Redeemed said:
*Sigh*, again:


I would prefer those attacks were not happening but retaliation is part human behaviour.
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Motives for retaliation are a little more complicated than "we killed him for digging a trench".
Sometimes there is a long history of farmworker abuse or exploitation (something that our good friend marin1 woulod deny ever happens)

Its akin to saying "oh she was raped because she wore a mini skirt". Everyone knows (educated people at least) that motivation for rape/sexual violence goes beyond simple sexual desire and is more about exerting control.
 
marine1 said:
No but protecting property and life from farm atacks is, if that is why he did it and no one actually knows why.
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A moat would work better than a trench, if protection was his true aim. The trench seems a petty action borne out of malice. If you take it at face value.
 
When in Doubt

SO MUCH ABSOLUTE DRIVEL & NO FACTS

Never mind the farmer or the villagers or the ANC -- just look at the bunch of you -- worse than everyone's worst nightmares.

Why not rather ask -- WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY .......???????????

Is the road track whatever proclaimed / gazetted ?
IF so
then
It IS a PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY !

IF not
then
It is private freehold land ( apart from really being owned by the bank )
and
Therefore the farmer / authorised person can dig up the whole road if they want to.

Some where there will be some documentation telling you the status of that particular road / track

Why not rather -- instead of arguing with each other -- pointlessly -- go and try and find it ????

You may want to start with the Gov Gazette and the KZN Roads Department !

CAPICHE !
 
b@nD said:
SO MUCH ABSOLUTE DRIVEL & NO FACTS

Never mind the farmer or the villagers or the ANC -- just look at the bunch of you -- worse than everyone's worst nightmares.

Why not rather ask -- WHAT DOES THE LAW SAY .......???????????

Is the road track whatever proclaimed / gazetted ?
IF so
then
It IS a PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY !

IF not
then
It is private freehold land ( apart from really being owned by the bank )
and
Therefore the farmer / authorised person can dig up the whole road if they want to.

Some where there will be some documentation telling you the status of that particular road / track

Why not rather -- instead of arguing with each other -- pointlessly -- go and try and find it ????

You may want to start with the Gov Gazette and the KZN Roads Department !

CAPICHE !
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So much anger. Anger is the path to the dark side young padawan.
 
wikk3d88 said:
A moat would work better than a trench, if protection was his true aim. The trench seems a petty action borne out of malice. If you take it at face value.
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if it was ( not saying it is) because of crime reducing unnecessary traffic would reduce it. Specially if it is livestock theft or equipment.
easy to determine if it is his property or a proclaimed road. Much like walls with spikes. Or else anybody can say my fence is put up with malice.
 
marine1 said:
No but protecting property and life from farm atacks is, if that is why he did it and no one actually knows why.
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Hahaha, you are sounding very much like those people who were always cowering from the Swart Gevaar pre-94.
 
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